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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg we have a

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collection of people on this episode of

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the power cast from around the world

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almost literally from three different

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countries we don't know if ETS among us

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at this point but that's going to be the

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key to our debate with gene and Chris so

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Chris you have been a busy bee for the

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past few weeks and I might again an

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update from you before we get into our

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guests what's up and what's going on

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yeah I've been again been battling this

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chronic bronchitis condition that I've

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been dealing with since 2009 I've had I

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had a relapse and then I kicked it and

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then it came back and I'm finishing up

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antibiotics right now actually today's

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my last day on I'm in I'm doing much

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better I got back after a very very long

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day already I was up before dawn helping

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set up and load in the Phoenix ballet

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company who's doing a three-day stent

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here in the Sedona Performing Arts

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Center for the Nutcracker I've been all

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days I've been up since the crack of

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dawn I was I was there getting loading

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in at 6:30 quarter 7:00 this morning so

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it's been a long day other than that

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I've been keeping busy I'll be doing a

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swing in mid-january through California

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on a speaking tour I'm debating with our

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guys with this San Luis Valley camera

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monitoring project of going ahead and

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doing a crowdfunding effort to start

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paying people instead of relying on

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their spare time good graces favors that

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sort of thing once you start paying

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people things tend to happen a lot

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quicker and in a more expeditious manner

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I would hope yeah I've been busy on that

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plus I'm finishing up finally about the

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20th draft of two screenplays I'm

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working on and also working on the

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follow-up to stock and herd so that's

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kind of it in a nutshell now this show

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was generated by a thread in our forms

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which covers the core belief in the UFO

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field that the flying saucer is whatever

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you want to call them our visitors from

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other planets that was started by one of

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our forum regulars Thomas R Morrison who

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is here and he'll introduce himself in a

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moment it's called the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis fact and fallacy Thomas

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welcome to this show tell us a little

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bit about yourself thank you for

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inviting me on gene I'm an artist in New

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Orleans

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I've been studying physics since I was a

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child since my sighting experience as a

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seven-year-old child that was a dramatic

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day light side exciting and um and so

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I've spent about 40 years trying to

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figure out how these things moved I

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found the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

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to be the best fit for what I'm trying

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to understand which is the physics of

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these devices how they move and how we

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might be able to replicate them one of

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our participants in the forum is someone

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who most of our listeners know he's

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called Bern state in the forum but we

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also know him by the things he's written

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and his contributions to some

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publications as Robert Branstetter who

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was a resident of Canada Robert hey

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there Jean thanks for having me back on

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like Thomas I was brought into the fold

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because of a very dramatic sighting when

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I was about 9 and so also for the last

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40 years I've also been moving in and

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out of paying attention to the field

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with more and more interests especially

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these last five years I really sucked

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myself into it instead of like Thomas

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wanting to know you know how they work

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I'm kind of more interested in what they

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are and what their impact is on us and

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so a lot of my time has not been given

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over to the ETH so much as exploring the

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idea of the witness and what his

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perception mean and

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what's the nature of the interactions

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that are taking place with this

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conundrum that seems to be fairly

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age-old on our planet across the world

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one of our four moderators and a regular

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listener for a number of years Mike

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Jones tell us about yourself could I

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Jane and thanks for having me on the

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show

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I've had a long almost all my life

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interest in UFOs I read Chariots of the

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Gods when I was about six years old and

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I've always been interested in them of

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always being someone that's that's taken

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them seriously and accepted that they

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they are here I currently live in the

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Blue Mountains west of Sydney Australia

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with views of Sydney and I had one

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experience that may or may not have been

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an abduction experience it could have

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been sleep paralysis it could have been

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something else it was profound whatever

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it was and it had a long lasting impact

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on my worldview if you will before we

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get to one more guest can you tell where

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listeners may be in a minute or two a

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rough overview of this experience I went

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to bed as I normally do one night and I

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woke up wide awake in the middle of the

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night which is unusual for me I normally

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wake up and it's sort of fairly in a

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dozy state I was wide awake is about

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just 2 or 3 cups of coffee and was

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bouncing off the walls and I could hear

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noises in the lounge and their house

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does make noises but this this wasn't

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creaking and shifting of the the Timbers

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that I'm used to that this was I thought

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well I was being burglarized I thought

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there was someone in the lounge and it

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sounded like there was someone poking

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around in the lounge I thought to get up

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and discover that I couldn't move I was

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absolutely paralyzed yeah and it's the

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only part of my body that could move was

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my eyeballs and so I was looking at the

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the doorframe to the bedroom that led to

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the hallway and then back to the bedroom

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and and all the details are as clear in

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my mind is as if I was awake and then

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all of a sudden there's what appears to

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be a classic gray except that it was

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probably 8 feet tall had only just

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cleared the doorframe and it sort of

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slid into the room like it was on

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rollerskates it didn't appear to walk

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and

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sort of stood there with my arms by my

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side panting it was as if that the

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fright had been suspended for that time

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and then as soon as I woke up it was

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switched straight back on again at that

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stage of the game here the only

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descriptions of Grey's with a little

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short guys and so I figured to myself

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okay this was just a bad hallucination

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or a bad nightmare maybe bad cheese

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before I gone to bed but years later I

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discovered that there there are people

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who recount what they call the tall

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greys and so I have to revisit whether

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or not what happened happened or didn't

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happen but but either way it um it had a

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profound effect on me in terms of just

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how I view the world and one more

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gentleman made a name of Jason who is

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known in our forms as Marduk what is

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that signify oh it's just a classic

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interest I've had kind of a niche in

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Sumerian kind of Mesopotamian philosophy

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going back to you know when I was a

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teenager you know being into such things

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I thought it'd be a cool forum name

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that's the end of it there's there's no

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mystery behind that tell our listeners

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about yourself sure so I'm up here in

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Calgary Alberta

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Randall's hometown as well you know like

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our other guests yeah you know I had

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starting with a childhood encounter as

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buddy with a with the daylight sighting

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I had with a buddy of mine otherwise you

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know I've had a few encounters over the

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course of my life but it kind of stands

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in stark contrast with the rest of my

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life where I live a pretty rational

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skeptical scientific kind of mindset I'm

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you know I'm a professional up here and

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a bit in a big company here in Canada

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and you know I part of my reason for

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being on the forums and being part of

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this debate is to reconcile these two

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kind of parts of my life let's to be

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honest and I would be a skeptic if I

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hadn't had these encounters so I'm just

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thankful to be here and and I don't

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ready to have this great conversation

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and if I can interject for a moment I've

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I've put I've put you in touch with Ray

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Stanford

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you should have who has had quite a

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a series of long and don't say I didn't

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warn you

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long feet phone calls and why don't you

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give us a real quick appraisal of of

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meeting ray now and and and talking with

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him at length now on several occasions

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so what do you think Jason before we

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have that answer we're gonna have to do

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a break you know one of those things

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that people have to do on shows like

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this and then Jason will talk about his

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interactions with the one the only race

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Stanford which is gonna be fascinating

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they're always interested in updates and

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what that gentleman is up to and

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certainly we want to know more about his

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research so we're doing and we'll really

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get into it in the next segment a debate

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on the extra-terrestrial hypothesis with

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a special group of listeners with Jeanne

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Mike Jones and we have Jason known as

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Marduk in the forums with gene and Chris

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were talking about the et hypothesis but

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Jason has also had some interactions

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with Ray Stanford that we're going to

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ask about now Jason sure thing hey first

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of all thank you Chris for extending the

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invite and kind of broke in that

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conversation let me just start by saying

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I was woefully unprepared for my initial

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conversation with Ray the man is just a

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wealth of detail in his memory and

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ability to recall what happened decades

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ago is just absolutely phenomenal and

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let me tell you you know I gotta admit I

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was pretty skeptical talking to Ray you

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know given some of the pretty

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groundbreaking things Chris had to say

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about the evidence he has and Ray's

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actually had some discussions with me

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and actually started to share some of

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those materials me and I

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gotta tell you the guy knows what he's

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talking about I was very skeptical going

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in and he's got some data that that I

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think is gonna blow some people's minds

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I wouldn't I wouldn't quite call it

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smoking gun but let me tell you I can

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smell gunpowder that's for sure

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can you mention any specific things that

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really impressed you sure so I think the

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was it was a call project star like

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Chris correct not to be confused with

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Stephen

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Greer's yeah project starlight ray began

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his project starlight international back

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in the early 70s let me tell you it

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appears to have collected far more data

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than I was actually aware of including

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he actually got a laser hit off of one

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of the objects in mid-flight with the

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returned the return has full

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spectrographic analysis it has all kind

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of imaging on it and it actually appears

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it to demonstrate something with when I

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did some some analysis on it and kind of

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refer to some material I found online

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looks very much like for all intents and

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purposes something covered in a plasma

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being contained by a magnetic field in

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transit let me taya which absolutely

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absolutely floored me well we hope to

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get further word on what ray is doing in

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the future in the parent caste but let's

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get now to what will be a great debate

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or something it all started when Thomas

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R Morrison opened this forum topic or

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thread in our forums therein lies a tale

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I guess it's called the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis fact and

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fallacy so Thomas why did you start the

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thread and what is your basic thrust of

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the discussion

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well I've um I've noticed that a

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prevailing view at the para caste lately

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has tended towards the reframing the

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debate issues you know looking for new

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ways to understanding of phenomenon and

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the consensus seems to be that a

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paranormal explanation is favored but

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like Jason's story about his discussion

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with with Ray Stanford indicates it

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seems very clear to me that we're

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dealing with physical phenomenon in the

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sky now I don't know if the ETH can

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explain

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full range of associated phenomena but

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it certainly seems that what we're

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looking at are technological devices

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that appear to employ a field propulsion

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principle which we may now theoretically

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have some understanding of thanks to

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Miguel Alcubierre and and I think that

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we need to collect hard scientific data

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like Chris is doing with both of his

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projects and it would be great to

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collect even more data if we could get a

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larger research effort into it to really

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understand what these things are

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physically in how they maneuver and I

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think eventually we're going to

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understand how to create devices that

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can levitate and accelerate faster than

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a bullet which is commonly reported in

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UFO sightings and so when you marry that

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with all of the recent advancements in

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XO solar planetary discoveries the fact

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that there are between fifty and a

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hundred and hundred and seventy billion

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trillion stars in our observable

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universe and some forty billion trillion

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of those look like they're going to be

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earth-like planets that are in the

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habitable zone of their parent stars it

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seems all but scientifically certain

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that there are going to be advanced

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forms of intelligent life out there and

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we should be expecting them to arrive

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here and appear in our skies and perhaps

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collect data so that's the perspective

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that I bring to it I'd really like to

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get to a point where we can replicate

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this kind of field propulsion technology

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and theoretically we are making advances

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in that direction so that's really

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exciting I think that'll change the

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world for all of us now one of the early

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participants was Robert Branstetter and

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on his brunch date in our forums Robert

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what's your reaction to this I agree

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that the universe is possibly teeming

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with with other life forms whether or

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not they're visiting here or look like

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humanoids I think is a highly debatable

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issue for me I think that you know the

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first level reading of the phenomenon

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especially the lights in the sky

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component of it whether it includes

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radar traces are or not is the notion

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that it is an alien life-form and that's

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what it looks like in a valley he calls

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the first level reading of it and and I

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think we need to

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take a look at it and breakdown the

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phenomenon because I think there's more

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than just one thing going on beyond just

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lights in the sky we have these things

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called abductions we have close

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encounter cases and when we look at the

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close encounter cases it seems like

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there's something much more interesting

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taking place than just the alien craft

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that's landing here yeah and even the

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notion of the alien craft landing and

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collecting data when we kind of break

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that down and take a look at how many

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cases of those might be taking place it

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seems to be rather nonsensical until in

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terms of the number of visits and then

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when we look at you know some accrued

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aspects of the abduction phenomenon and

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kind of the retro technologies that we

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see there it seems like things are being

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done almost more for our benefit or

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somehow we're more involved in naming or

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defining what's being seen inside of a

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close encounter environment and I and I

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would separate the close encounter cases

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very much from the lights and sky

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phenomenon and and and break it down

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even further after that I think are

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categorizing of the phenomenon needs to

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be much more diverse in the way that we

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collect data and verify our data needs a

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major overhaul as well and I think that

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the other piece that is often left out

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of the puzzle because it's not a

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reproducible phenomenon is the witness

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themselves and they're really the core

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figure that's responsible for the

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majority in the bulk of what we call the

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UFO mystery and I think looking at the

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impacts on witnesses the fact that

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there's often concurrent or further

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paranormal activity that people

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experience is quite fascinating we

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should be exploring the role of

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perception memory culture psychology all

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of these as features of the the

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phenomena especially in close encounter

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cases in order to perhaps better

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understand how the very act of seeing is

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playing a role and helping us understand

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the mystery itself so I think I have no

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problem giving the ETH over to the

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lights in the sky component of it but I

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think when we start lumping together the

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other aspects that are part of the

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phenomenon the things seem to break down

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a little bit more and especially we give

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a thought to how the phenomena has

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changed with us culturally and

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technologically over history and that

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it's probably been with us for age-old

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you know in terms of the beginning of

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our first cultural experiences and

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naming and defining the idea of seeing

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strange visitor

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Thomas Morrison Robert Branstetter Jason

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Mike Jones Jean and Chris debating the

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ETH or extra-terrestrial hypothesis

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before I ask Thomas's reaction to what

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Robert said Mike would you like to give

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your reaction sure I agree with Robert

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that the the observer tends to frame the

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phenomena and that they they describe it

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and we see that with the car go cold and

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with indigenous peoples when that when

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they've been first contacted as well

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they the experiences is defined by the

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observer and it's defined within the

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lexicon of of their culture and I think

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with humans I think with humans as our

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technology increases and our technology

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gets better as our scientific jargon and

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lexicon gets more complex I think we're

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able to frame the phenomena more

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accurately and we go from Chariots of

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the Gods to structured craft because you

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know we have structured craft now and so

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we were able to see structured craft in

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a context that makes sense to us I think

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that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis it

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doesn't need to be the only explanation

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but it certainly is a very good

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explanation and and I think that you you

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can never discount of it I don't think

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you could ever say it's it's never going

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to be that so yeah I I think the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis is a valid

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hypothesis it doesn't need to be the

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only answer for example you know that

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some of our pot the size that the you

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know that there might have been an

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intelligent species of dinosaur that

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managed to survive the the extinction of

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the dinosaurs and that they may be the

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explanation for the draconian Zoar the

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reptilians that we see that that's not

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thought beyond the realms of possibility

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but but I I think that even even if some

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of the craft we're seeing in the skies

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are actually

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from a pre mammalian civilization here

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on earth that doesn't mean they all are

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I think that the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis and for the reasons outlined

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the universe is so big and the model is

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so consistent where we have a planet

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orbiting a star here with life on it

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it's inconceivable that that model

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wouldn't be replicated throughout not

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only our galaxy but throughout the

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hundreds and millions of other galaxies

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in the observable universe people often

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talk about the distance involved but a

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distance isn't an issue for them if if

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they have a propulsion means that that

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means that the distance is not an issue

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for them then that's really not not not

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a barrier either Jason what's your

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impression of this you know I've spent

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some time mulling about this and and I I

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think it's very very easy to get lost in

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this subject and very easy to look at it

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from from so many different angles that

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you can just kind of lose your way and

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you know and the stance I've taken is a

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very very simple one what is the

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solution to this this crazy stuff that

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we see in the sky and experiences that

733
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:12,670
people have that actually requires the

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fewest amount of of extensions to what

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we currently know about the known

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universe and the ETH fits that very very

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nicely we know we exist here on ion a

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wet planet orbiting a pretty ordinary

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star we you know it's very very likely

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there are other wet planets orbiting

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there other ordinary stars and and we

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know that we can get there from here you

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know it's just we do that we find the

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timescales we can currently do it pretty

745
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inconvenient to do so but we could do it

746
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if we chose to do that and and given

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that the position I'm at is is I have

748
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yet to see a single line of reasoning

749
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that pushes me off that very very simple

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thing that the ETH fits best I'm not

751
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saying that other hypotheses are

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impossible

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I'm just saying that they're more

754
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improbable Chris well we have discussed

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this quite a bit from time to time here

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00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:10,630
on the pair of Kasten and I think my

757
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:14,530
views are fairly well known if not

758
00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:16,750
recognized and you know I just want to

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be without going through a whole litany

760
00:31:23,399 --> 00:31:19,210
of

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:23,409
arguments against the ETH I'm gonna I'm

762
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:25,330
gonna throw this out there

763
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:28,120
first of all these the modern age of

764
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:30,190
UFOs occurred when we started popping

765
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:34,090
off nuclear nuclear weapons that's an

766
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:37,929
indication to me that no we're not being

767
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quarantined because we're being bad

768
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,460
Galactic children I think what we're

769
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:44,799
doing is we're putting another tenant on

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00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,350
the planet in jeopardy because of our

771
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:50,799
sudden use of in development of nuclear

772
00:31:54,539 --> 00:31:52,510
weapons which could be highly

773
00:31:55,139 --> 00:31:54,549
detrimental to all life-forms on the

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00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:55,149
planet

775
00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:58,570
if this for instance this emerging

776
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:00,940
crisis in North Korea I mean who knows

777
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:04,360
it wouldn't take much possibly to set to

778
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:07,330
set off in exchange and if something was

779
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:09,460
already here some intelligence was

780
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:11,529
already present on the planet they would

781
00:32:16,409 --> 00:32:14,440
be put in in in jeopardy that's why I

782
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,419
think we started seeing an amazing

783
00:32:22,889 --> 00:32:19,440
upsurge of activity within a year of

784
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:22,899
detonating nuclear weapons that's point

785
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:25,510
number one point number two is there's

786
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:28,980
been too many encounters that indicate

787
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,250
that whatever these beans or

788
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:37,200
intelligences are they're acting in a

789
00:32:42,539 --> 00:32:39,880
nonsensical theatrical trickster ish

790
00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:42,549
manner how many times you have to be

791
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:45,820
seen picking up flowers and looking

792
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:48,580
at-at rocks and and other things on the

793
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:50,770
surface of the planet in amazement and

794
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:53,799
wonder when you're highly evolved highly

795
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:56,620
technological civilization you'd be able

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to put something in orbit around this

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planet the size of a baseball with our

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technology and find out pretty much

799
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anything you needed to know I just I

800
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:09,309
feel that there's too many encounters

801
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:13,360
that make no sense at all that appear to

802
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,899
have the witness supplying the details

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00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:18,640
of the encounter what the beans look

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00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:21,990
like what the technology looks like and

805
00:33:27,779 --> 00:33:25,600
appears to be acting in a particular

806
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:27,789
technological manner we're seeing a

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mirroring of technology based on our

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present state-of-the-art it appears to

809
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:37,830
couch itself just slightly ahead of head

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00:33:45,019 --> 00:33:41,820
of our level of development there's too

811
00:33:48,019 --> 00:33:45,029
many things that don't add up in terms

812
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of something extraterrestrial coming

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here from many light-years away and in

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acting like well you know like they're

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they're checking out the the the new

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house that's just been built in the

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things that don't conform to what would

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be in my mind just a very simple

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00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:10,550
approach that would that one would take

821
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:13,829
in visiting a new planet or monitoring

822
00:34:19,819 --> 00:34:17,220
and keeping tabs on on life on another

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00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:19,829
planet so I think we should exhaust all

824
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:23,159
closed system you know answer some

825
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:25,050
possibilities before a jumping off

826
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,530
planet Thomas you want to respond to

827
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,260
that yeah that was a lot there's a lot

828
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of different points there I have

829
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,290
problems with the other tenant

830
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:36,540
hypothesis because in order for a

831
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civilization to have become more

832
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advanced than we are today they would

833
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have had to have left a huge global

834
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footprint at some point or in under the

835
00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:47,339
soil then we haven't found any

836
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,349
indications of a parallel civilization

837
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:51,300
arising on the earth and we've done a

838
00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:53,669
lot of digging I think we also probably

839
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:54,990
would have been able to detect an

840
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:56,730
industrial age you know and there's no

841
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,160
signs of that in the soil so I don't

842
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:00,720
think they're coming from there from our

843
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:03,660
own planet I suppose it's possible that

844
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:05,190
another form of intelligent life could

845
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,839
have evolved here but something that

846
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could produce the industrial devices

847
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:10,710
that we're seeing they can levitate and

848
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and accelerate it the rates we're seeing

849
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,790
that's really hard to imagine without

850
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leaving the some kind of evidence behind

851
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:18,480
that we would act we'd be seeing right

852
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,810
now another point is often raised is

853
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,000
that um you know why are we seeing so

854
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,579
many different cases of sample

855
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,920
collection from the soil and maybe

856
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,599
biological samples and things like that

857
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,880
I'm not sure how many of those are

858
00:35:37,309 --> 00:35:34,619
actually happening it's really difficult

859
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:37,319
to estimate them not the real numbers is

860
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:39,270
it really that many or is it more rare

861
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:43,500
than we think but I don't think that you

862
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,020
can gather all the data that you could

863
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:48,000
we want about a living planet like ours

864
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:49,830
from space no matter how advanced your

865
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:52,260
technology is I mean even today we send

866
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probes and we analyze soil samples on

867
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,780
Mars and this seems like having a sample

868
00:36:02,180 --> 00:35:59,940
that you can perform scientific tests on

869
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,190
is kind of an essential ingredient to

870
00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:04,500
understanding a system and it makes a

871
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:05,430
lot of sense to me that an

872
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extraterrestrial life-form would do that

873
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:09,690
here on the earth plus I think that we

874
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need to realize that if the

875
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extra-terrestrial hypothesis is correct

876
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then it's probably likely that there are

877
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a great number of very advanced

878
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civilizations all around us in our own

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galaxy and throughout the universe will

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continue with Thomas's response looking

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at the ETH or are there other tenants of

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the building with Thomas and Jason and

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Robert and Mike and Sheen and Chris

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[Music]

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast this is

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the worldwide episode of the Power casts

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with Thomas and Jean and Chris from the

992
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US and Jason and Robert from Canada and

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Mike from Australia and nobody from Mars

994
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yet we weren't able to get the Martian

995
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:30,870
Manhunter on here we certainly made an

996
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effort but he chose not to come Thomas

997
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,430
you are continuing your response before

998
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:38,040
we get her further answers sure I was

999
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:39,960
talking about how the ETH would suggest

1000
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,060
that it's likely that many advanced

1001
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:43,920
civilizations exist all around us they

1002
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,330
could each be sending their own probes

1003
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:47,520
and performing their own emissions to

1004
00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:49,590
the earth for any number of reasons but

1005
00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:52,860
analyzing our biology and our planet and

1006
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:55,230
our ecosphere probably be a big part of

1007
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:56,850
that I mean that's certainly what we do

1008
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:58,770
right if we could make it to other

1009
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:00,840
living planets in our vicinity of the

1010
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:02,310
galaxy I think we'd be doing very

1011
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,650
similar things to what's reported also

1012
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:06,420
there's the argument that um the

1013
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:08,580
distances are too great that you know it

1014
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,990
just doesn't seem plausible they could

1015
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:12,240
be traveling all that way here to do

1016
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,590
these you know fairly mundane

1017
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:16,140
experiments but what we're seeing with

1018
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:18,120
theoretical physics is that if you can

1019
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:20,010
warp the metric of space-time in the

1020
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:22,170
correct way then there's really no limit

1021
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,460
to how fast you can go even

1022
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:25,920
theoretically if you could control the

1023
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,170
metric of space-time you know there's

1024
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:30,720
you could move so many times faster than

1025
00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:31,650
the speed of light that it's

1026
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:34,080
incalculable the only upper limit that

1027
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:35,880
I've even be able to vaguely estimate

1028
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:37,470
would be the inflationary epoch of the

1029
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:40,380
universe where space-time expanded at 10

1030
00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:42,030
billion trillion times the speed of

1031
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:43,860
light if the technology could achieve

1032
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:47,310
that you could span the observable

1033
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:49,530
universe in a fraction of a second so

1034
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:51,480
our ideas of distance I think are a

1035
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,130
little too parochial for what's coming

1036
00:42:57,140 --> 00:42:55,680
down the pike technologically then

1037
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:57,150
there's the argument that the technology

1038
00:43:00,980 --> 00:42:58,890
only appears to be slightly ahead of our

1039
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:00,990
development but in the 70 years that

1040
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,910
we've seen these craft the levitating

1041
00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:05,040
and making radical accelerations that

1042
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:06,600
would destroy any human design

1043
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:09,150
technology we've seen no progress

1044
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:10,890
towards a field propulsion technology

1045
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:12,620
that can replicate that in

1046
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:14,390
may in fact be many thousands of years

1047
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:16,820
ahead of us still we don't know how

1048
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:19,460
close that technology is yet but from

1049
00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:20,630
the calculations that we're seeing

1050
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:23,420
theoretically it's a huge problem for

1051
00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:25,370
our technology to try to manifest in

1052
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:27,230
effect like that curving space-time is

1053
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,430
not an easy thing to do

1054
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:30,560
it could be many eons before we're able

1055
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:33,830
to do it I'm hoping not but that's what

1056
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:36,020
the math is telling us right now with

1057
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:37,550
each one of the objections to the

1058
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:39,710
extra-terrestrial hypothesis I find that

1059
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:42,910
there's a fairly easy rational

1060
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:45,020
explanation that can counter it

1061
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:47,240
so I've yet to hear really a single

1062
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:49,640
compelling point that would make us

1063
00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:52,070
question whether alien visitors could

1064
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,860
come here from other stars okay so we're

1065
00:43:58,570 --> 00:43:56,480
talking here about maybe warp drive or

1066
00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:58,580
something huh absolutely that's exactly

1067
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:00,500
what we're talking about now scientists

1068
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:02,900
by the way are actually working on warp

1069
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:05,330
drive and we don't know what the actual

1070
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:07,790
true level of our technological

1071
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:09,430
development is that's highly classified

1072
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:12,170
it's amazing how much we could

1073
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accomplish in a couple of decades I

1074
00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:17,090
think there's the standard equation that

1075
00:44:21,580 --> 00:44:19,580
I've heard for years now is that the

1076
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:21,590
state-of-the-art in the black world is

1077
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:23,420
15 to 20 years ahead of public

1078
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:25,820
disclosure and at the rate of

1079
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:27,530
technological progress that we've been

1080
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:30,740
making the last 30 or 40 years we could

1081
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:34,730
have managed to you know breakthrough in

1082
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:38,060
in many areas of aerospace and grow

1083
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:40,420
vidiq sand magneto hydrodynamics

1084
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:43,720
propulsion these sorts of things I

1085
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:47,390
wanted again stress that you know the

1086
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,790
theatricality element the tricksters

1087
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:52,160
element the stuff that often doesn't

1088
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,590
even get included in sighting reports

1089
00:44:59,800 --> 00:44:57,200
close encounter cases the inexplicable

1090
00:45:02,290 --> 00:44:59,810
the things that would totally negate the

1091
00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:02,300
case in an a research or investigator or

1092
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:04,280
law enforcement mind these are the

1093
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:06,050
details that are left out and I think

1094
00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:07,790
that that this is kind of the the

1095
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:10,220
elephant in the room if you will the

1096
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,740
absurdity of many of these encounters

1097
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:15,920
and the the nonsensical trickster ish

1098
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:19,730
manner in which interactions are taking

1099
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:22,880
place at least the reported aspect of it

1100
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:24,130
in

1101
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:28,210
that doesn't need to be there that has

1102
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:30,820
always been there it just doesn't really

1103
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:32,920
add up at least it's not in my my

1104
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:35,410
estimation I I think that the the the

1105
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:38,200
the the incomprehensible behavior aspect

1106
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:39,820
is actually something we've we've

1107
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:42,580
already seen within our own context

1108
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:44,950
scenarios here I mean for example when

1109
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:47,260
white people first came to Australia

1110
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:49,660
they almost got speared to death because

1111
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:52,300
they caught a turtle and began to eat it

1112
00:45:56,610 --> 00:45:54,910
and and didn't offer that part of that

1113
00:45:58,350 --> 00:45:56,620
turtle to the tribal elders that were in

1114
00:46:00,510 --> 00:45:58,360
the area to the local people that

1115
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:00,520
behavior was incomprehensible it was

1116
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:02,920
trickster --is-- it was it was wrong it

1117
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:05,230
was it was they just couldn't understand

1118
00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:07,660
why anyone would do such a strange

1119
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:10,120
strange thing is to catch a turtle and

1120
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:12,550
not offer the older members of the tribe

1121
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:14,320
their portion first and the young men of

1122
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:15,940
the tribe got very very angry and

1123
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:17,830
grabbed their spears and we're gonna

1124
00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:19,470
we're gonna do cook and his men in

1125
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:21,880
because they had behaved in such a

1126
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:24,730
strange and unusual way we see the same

1127
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:26,890
thing with the cargo Coulter's where the

1128
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:29,410
visitors appear to be very very strange

1129
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:31,450
and very very unusual but that's only

1130
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,430
from the context of the culture that's

1131
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:35,680
seeing them to the culture that's

1132
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:37,810
actually here looking at the flowers

1133
00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:40,210
catching the turtle landing planes on

1134
00:46:43,380 --> 00:46:41,860
runways there's nothing unusual about

1135
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,390
what they're doing at all it's the

1136
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:45,040
disparity is simply between the two

1137
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:47,770
cultures well I want to challenge

1138
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:49,480
something kind of inherent biases we

1139
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:52,030
have in having this conversation the

1140
00:46:54,090 --> 00:46:53,230
first is that there are actually any

1141
00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:54,100
smarter than we are

1142
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:56,020
they might be very technologically

1143
00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:58,090
advanced but in every other way if you

1144
00:47:00,060 --> 00:46:59,590
look at their interpersonal skills as an

1145
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:00,070
example

1146
00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:02,500
they're pretty wanting right and let's

1147
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:04,270
look at some of the crazy things we do

1148
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:05,890
when we explore space I mean one of the

1149
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:07,270
first people to the moon went up there

1150
00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:08,770
with a with a golf ball and golf club

1151
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,360
and play golf on the moon like why did

1152
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:12,400
he do that any observer that would be

1153
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:13,720
like what the heck are these crazy

1154
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:16,300
humans doing right

1155
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:18,730
I wonder something before we go on here

1156
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:22,270
that reminds me of the novel war of the

1157
00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:24,040
worlds' and you saw this in the movie

1158
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:25,840
version with Tom Cruise in the original

1159
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:29,020
George pal movie version where et comes

1160
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:34,060
here and et is invincible et is going to

1161
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:36,790
take over but they succumb to our cold

1162
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,140
virus and they die

1163
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:40,480
and you wonder here if we have all these

1164
00:47:46,979 --> 00:47:44,140
races coming from other worlds do they

1165
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:46,989
take precautions when they come here to

1166
00:47:53,779 --> 00:47:50,470
prevent them from infecting us I'm not

1167
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,789
worried about them being infected by us

1168
00:47:59,039 --> 00:47:55,839
because I assume they would allow for

1169
00:48:00,140 --> 00:47:59,049
that but do they care enough to protect

1170
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,150
us from them

1171
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:02,319
that's a good question well you would

1172
00:48:06,089 --> 00:48:03,400
think that they would if they were

1173
00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:06,099
scientifically inclined and and had a

1174
00:48:10,589 --> 00:48:08,980
concern for not having a they're

1175
00:48:15,779 --> 00:48:10,599
obviously concerned about not having a

1176
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:15,789
an overt impact on us but you know how

1177
00:48:24,089 --> 00:48:17,980
are they able to breathe our air for

1178
00:48:26,999 --> 00:48:24,099
instance most entity reports not all but

1179
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,009
most do not indicate any sort of visible

1180
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:29,680
devices that are helping them with any

1181
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:32,410
sort of respiratory process and in in

1182
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:36,430
why so many reports of humanoids you

1183
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:40,390
know I think that that that to me put

1184
00:48:46,049 --> 00:48:43,390
put some warning flags up you know it's

1185
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:46,059
the automatic assumption that life out

1186
00:48:51,989 --> 00:48:48,970
there is gonna be you know by

1187
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:51,999
symmetrical and look like us and instead

1188
00:48:59,039 --> 00:48:54,460
of you know I think that kind of cool

1189
00:49:00,720 --> 00:48:59,049
element the recent movie of what was it

1190
00:49:03,329 --> 00:49:00,730
called the contact movie that was out

1191
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:03,339
with Amy Adams that the title escapes me

1192
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,119
but that particular scenario had a you

1193
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:10,720
know had planted beans that were you

1194
00:49:15,029 --> 00:49:12,670
know in a you know an enclosed

1195
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,039
environment not interacting with our

1196
00:49:21,059 --> 00:49:17,920
with our environment and vice versa and

1197
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,069
and you know the whole communication

1198
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,200
thing I thought was was done very very

1199
00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:24,960
well my favorite part of that film

1200
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:27,460
however we have aliens that are able to

1201
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,140
communicate with us for instance there's

1202
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:35,680
too much about it that is contrived that

1203
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:40,150
is theatrical that it doesn't really

1204
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:42,670
conform there at least in my estimation

1205
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:48,579
to a an acceptance of of how life should

1206
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:49,260
be

1207
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:52,980
much more diverse you would think in

1208
00:50:00,260 --> 00:49:57,540
terms of how how these beans appear to

1209
00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:00,270
us whether this is all holographic in

1210
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,430
nature being staged for our benefit it

1211
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:07,440
means these these encounters may not

1212
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:10,410
even really reflect the true nature of

1213
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:12,420
these entities or these intelligences

1214
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,450
they may be projections from our own

1215
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:17,400
mind filling in the details that sort of

1216
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:17,820
thing

1217
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:21,240
but but again you know without sound

1218
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:22,170
like we're going around on a

1219
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:24,570
merry-go-round here you know I still

1220
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:28,530
feel that the other 95% of the Earth's

1221
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:31,710
oceans that have yet to be explored or

1222
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,980
even effectively mapped and the fact

1223
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,900
that we have probably more water in the

1224
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:38,640
mantle of the planet for instance than

1225
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:43,050
we do in the Earth's oceans we haven't

1226
00:50:48,460 --> 00:50:44,730
even talked about the possibility of

1227
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:48,470
some sort of parallel parallel existence

1228
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:52,710
there's a lot of a lot of room I think

1229
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:55,830
for further research to look at the

1230
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,410
possibility that these entities these

1231
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:00,420
intelligences may be more terrestrial

1232
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:05,040
than we are and your point before Thomas

1233
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:07,410
about about there not being some sort of

1234
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:10,740
technological footprint well you know if

1235
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,450
they developed all these technologies

1236
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:14,400
you know several hundred thousand years

1237
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:16,290
ago there's a good chance that we would

1238
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:18,420
not detect that and if we did we

1239
00:51:23,290 --> 00:51:19,619
wouldn't know what we were looking at

1240
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:23,300
got more to come with Gene Chris Thomas

1241
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:26,790
Jason Robert Mike you're in the para

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1299
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,480
here's Jane Steinberg this is a very

1300
00:54:18,830 --> 00:54:14,400
important point that Chris brings up

1301
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:18,840
fair that if ET is thousands or hundreds

1302
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:21,510
of thousands of years ahead of us would

1303
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,540
we even recognize the products of their

1304
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:27,000
technology is it at all possible that

1305
00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:29,610
what we think are UFOs flying craft

1306
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:31,560
spaceships whatever you think they are

1307
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:34,980
are not what we think they are they're

1308
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:38,160
simply put there for our benefit you

1309
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:39,930
know they might be able to wink in and

1310
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:42,210
wink out of existence who knows what

1311
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,580
kind of technology they could have what

1312
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:46,440
do you think Thomas I think that we

1313
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,970
definitely could see advancements of

1314
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:49,920
technology that even make something like

1315
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,660
warp field propulsion seem trivial but I

1316
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:56,700
don't see any reason that we need to

1317
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:58,710
believe that we can't trust our own

1318
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:00,660
senses when we perceive these things

1319
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,480
these these devices appear to be fairly

1320
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,280
exotic they're not shaped like any kind

1321
00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:07,680
of craft that we're aware of and yet

1322
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:09,390
multiple independent witnesses will

1323
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,940
report describing the same thing so I

1324
00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:13,200
don't think this is all some kind of

1325
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:15,000
head game I think that we're probably

1326
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:17,580
seeing what's actually there and we

1327
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:19,170
don't understand how it works yet we

1328
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:21,630
have some really good theory on that and

1329
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:23,850
we can't replicate it but we're really

1330
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:25,320
worried when we start questioning the

1331
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:27,630
input of our own senses and especially

1332
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,130
when it's confirmed with like radar and

1333
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:30,900
trace evidence and multiple witnesses

1334
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:32,550
and that kind of thing it does seem like

1335
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,870
we're dealing with something that's

1336
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,180
technological and solid I think that we

1337
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:37,680
could do a much better job at collecting

1338
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:39,960
data about it and that's why that was so

1339
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:42,390
excited about Chris's two projects we

1340
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:44,550
get kind of a blizzard of objections

1341
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,890
against the ETH it can sound like a lot

1342
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,630
and can sound very compelling when you

1343
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:50,400
hear the one after the other but when

1344
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,020
you take a look at them one at a time

1345
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:54,180
they tend to crumble let's take a look

1346
00:55:58,580 --> 00:55:56,310
at some of them there's this trickster

1347
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,590
like quality to them well I think it

1348
00:56:02,090 --> 00:56:00,420
Jason had pointed out you

1349
00:56:04,850 --> 00:56:02,100
there are absurd things that humans do

1350
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,860
all the time I don't see why any other

1351
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:06,480
intelligent life wouldn't do things that

1352
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:08,850
we would perceive as absurd but there

1353
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,380
may be extra dimensions to it as well I

1354
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,900
mean we've got psyops going on right now

1355
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:14,640
all over our planet by our own

1356
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:17,070
intelligence services that confuse

1357
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:19,260
people and mislead them and obfuscate

1358
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:21,510
the truth and these devices and these

1359
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:23,400
beings don't seem to want to be detected

1360
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:24,750
they certainly haven't made any effort

1361
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:27,750
to communicate with us publicly so it

1362
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:29,370
wouldn't be a stretch to think that they

1363
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:31,590
would also employ sophisticated psyops

1364
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,020
operations to keep us confused and

1365
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:36,900
unaware and of what they're doing and

1366
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:39,240
why I guess we're not that aware of our

1367
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:41,910
own culture of psychological operations

1368
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:43,710
but it is going on the Edward Snowden

1369
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:46,500
leaks gave us some amazing documents

1370
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:48,300
that were chilling at the scale and

1371
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,520
sophistication of psychological

1372
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:52,680
operations just from our own governments

1373
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:55,410
so an alien race that could have the

1374
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,760
technology to make it here to the earth

1375
00:57:00,740 --> 00:56:58,260
they would probably have that same

1376
00:57:02,090 --> 00:57:00,750
understanding and know exactly how to

1377
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:02,100
confuse the issue if they didn't want to

1378
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:04,800
be discovered and confronted another

1379
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:06,600
thing that often I think we forget is

1380
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:08,040
that if there isn't an alien

1381
00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:10,530
civilization which can explore the Stars

1382
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:13,350
fairly freely it will we're not going to

1383
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:14,990
be the first destination on their

1384
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,230
itinerary

1385
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:17,760
they probably experiences with any

1386
00:57:22,850 --> 00:57:19,650
number of living planets and any number

1387
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:22,860
of even intelligent life-forms and so

1388
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:24,510
they should probably be fairly

1389
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:26,370
sophisticated about how they go about

1390
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:27,780
what they're doing so they're not going

1391
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:29,400
to make some rookie mistake like jumping

1392
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:32,370
off a UFO in suffocating in the oxygen

1393
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:34,830
atmosphere we all may also not be seeing

1394
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:37,410
biological life-forms we may be see an

1395
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,450
engineered synthetic life-form we don't

1396
00:57:43,850 --> 00:57:41,550
really know what these creatures are you

1397
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:43,860
know these most exotic scenarios tend to

1398
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:45,960
be the least common I think we're you

1399
00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:47,970
know there's probably a hundred UFO

1400
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:49,560
sightings for every close encounter

1401
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:51,390
experience and so I think that we'd be

1402
00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:53,820
best served by focusing isolating our

1403
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:55,320
attention on the things that we can

1404
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:57,030
prove in bringing scientific

1405
00:58:01,640 --> 00:57:59,430
instrumentation and exploration to that

1406
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:01,650
investigation totally agree

1407
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:04,260
Robert what's your impression of this I

1408
00:58:08,090 --> 00:58:06,150
don't know where to begin first to be

1409
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:08,100
honest well I'll tell you what let's

1410
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:10,530
start with a then B then see how you can

1411
00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:11,870
go from there so

1412
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:13,790
the percentage of cases that are closed

1413
00:58:18,670 --> 00:58:16,220
encountering cases are around about 10%

1414
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:18,680
in a jack fillet with Polar's kind of

1415
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:20,690
conservative estimate close encounter

1416
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:22,490
cases that have taken place just in a 40

1417
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:24,770
year period he's identified 14 million

1418
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:26,810
close encounter cases alone so if you

1419
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:28,820
want to multiply that by a factor of 10

1420
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:31,190
to get to how many UFO's you know citing

1421
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:33,170
pieces were talking 140 million so that

1422
00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:34,730
I should be littered with them and we

1423
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:36,620
should be able to record them fairly

1424
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:38,390
easily but in fact that's not the case

1425
00:58:42,370 --> 00:58:40,850
at all and then to go on with the notion

1426
00:58:44,170 --> 00:58:42,380
of the nature of the technology they've

1427
00:58:45,850 --> 00:58:44,180
got I always see an inherent paradox in

1428
00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:45,860
this they've got the capacity to travel

1429
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,660
the stars I've been apparently they can

1430
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:49,520
perhaps create synthetic versions of

1431
00:58:54,220 --> 00:58:51,620
life-forms interact with us well why

1432
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:54,230
even bother doing that you can collect

1433
00:58:58,540 --> 00:58:56,030
whatever data information you want with

1434
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:58,550
a tiny little nano probe that will give

1435
00:59:02,020 --> 00:59:00,170
you all the info you want you can invade

1436
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:02,030
our bodies if you like and get whatever

1437
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:04,250
clusters of cells that you need to have

1438
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:06,200
to perform real science if you'd like

1439
00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:08,510
that the notion of the retro kind of

1440
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:10,670
medieval tortures that people are put

1441
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:12,170
through an abduction cases does not

1442
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:13,970
speak to any kind of scientific

1443
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:15,830
community at work there are a real

1444
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:18,110
project it's something being put on for

1445
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:19,610
our show we can even go to the Betty

1446
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:21,500
Barney Hill case and look at the

1447
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:23,630
pulldown screen which a star map I mean

1448
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:25,160
this is ludicrous this is something that

1449
00:59:28,750 --> 00:59:27,050
is done for our benefit or as Mike

1450
00:59:30,430 --> 00:59:28,760
pointed out and Chris did as well that

1451
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:30,440
we obviously are bringing something to

1452
00:59:34,180 --> 00:59:31,850
the dance and that goes to the Greg

1453
00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:34,190
bishops co-creation hypothesis that were

1454
00:59:38,350 --> 00:59:36,140
obviously very involved with creating

1455
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:38,360
the lexicon to describe what we see in

1456
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:40,490
perhaps that accounts for the variants

1457
00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:42,440
and surreal nature of some of the

1458
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:44,600
appearances of these characters and even

1459
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,610
what they're up to because the notion

1460
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:48,710
that they would have to make 14 million

1461
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:50,930
touchdowns to collect some data from us

1462
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:53,270
makes no sense why even bother appearing

1463
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:54,470
when they can do that completely

1464
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:56,690
remotely if they've got a capacity to

1465
00:59:59,260 --> 00:59:58,010
travel like this so I don't think that's

1466
01:00:01,540 --> 00:59:59,270
reasonable at all I think that's very

1467
01:00:03,070 --> 01:00:01,550
unreasonable thinking and if anything it

1468
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:03,080
points to the notion that something else

1469
01:00:07,060 --> 01:00:04,610
is perhaps steering the rudder that

1470
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:07,070
makes us want to see this as a

1471
01:00:10,930 --> 01:00:09,230
extraterrestrial event both the

1472
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:10,940
government has done a lot of work and

1473
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:12,410
investment in wanting to steer us in

1474
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,990
that direction and it seems that the UFO

1475
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:16,760
sightings themselves also want to point

1476
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:18,650
in that direction there to us and that's

1477
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:20,150
why I suggest that perhaps it's not a

1478
01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:22,250
purse ammonius pieces market points out

1479
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:23,020
but

1480
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:26,050
really reality is far more complex than

1481
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:27,520
we imagined it to be in that what's

1482
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:29,890
taking place might be far more complex

1483
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,810
and even the very act of seeing or be

1484
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:33,520
able to make the statement that seeing

1485
01:00:37,350 --> 01:00:35,470
is believing or that whether we can

1486
01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:37,360
trust our senses there's also a very

1487
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:39,340
limited piece when we think about it so

1488
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:41,470
we have limited frequencies that we can

1489
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:43,030
hear we have limited spectrums of light

1490
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:45,400
that we can see the notion of are we the

1491
01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:46,930
only tenant in the building we can't

1492
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:48,220
even see half the tenants that are

1493
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:49,780
floating around in front of us and while

1494
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:51,790
some of those may be detectable by our

1495
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:54,370
own science we also have to make room

1496
01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:56,160
for the fact that another technological

1497
01:01:00,660 --> 01:00:58,630
civilization we have visited here a very

1498
01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:00,670
long time ago and set up shop in and

1499
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:02,740
they are both in their technology and

1500
01:01:06,810 --> 01:01:04,420
our perceptions of them something that

1501
01:01:10,340 --> 01:01:06,820
is beyond our even perceptual capacities

1502
01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:10,350
the military you say is interested in

1503
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:13,960
conveying the impression that UFOs are

1504
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:16,990
there's LVT is that yet to mask what

1505
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:19,120
they're doing well perhaps I mean we

1506
01:01:21,930 --> 01:01:20,590
know from your great bishops work you

1507
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:21,940
know for Mirage men we know from the

1508
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:25,150
silver screen saucers that the rule that

1509
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:26,950
the powers that be have played and

1510
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:28,630
wanting to kind of steer the narrative

1511
01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:30,790
has been an ongoing piece I know whether

1512
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:32,800
that's for purposes of psychological

1513
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:35,890
control or cold war tactics and

1514
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,690
strategies maybe just seek out

1515
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:39,520
information and want to know what by the

1516
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:42,220
UFO community is up to etc I think we

1517
01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:43,900
need to pay more attention to the fact

1518
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:45,580
that they very consciously spent time

1519
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:47,500
leaking out information they seem to

1520
01:01:51,150 --> 01:01:49,210
celebrate and enjoy and laugh at the

1521
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:51,160
whole disclosure piece that we you know

1522
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:52,660
love to entertain ourselves with and the

1523
01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:54,040
fact that Tom belongs peace as an

1524
01:01:57,810 --> 01:01:56,080
entertainment component attached to it

1525
01:02:00,240 --> 01:01:57,820
speaks again to the notion that let's

1526
01:02:01,950 --> 01:02:00,250
not take this phenomenon too seriously

1527
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:01,960
it's just aliens invading and at the end

1528
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,490
of the movie we always beat them anyway

1529
01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:05,200
so nothing to worry about and it seems

1530
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:07,300
like that narrative has really inserted

1531
01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:10,090
itself as a 1950s narrative and we

1532
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:11,500
haven't let go of that one because it

1533
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:13,360
serves somebody's purpose but it

1534
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,370
certainly doesn't answer the hard core

1535
01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:17,440
questions of what takes place inside of

1536
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:18,820
close encounter cases or why the

1537
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:21,370
frequency of them is at the level that

1538
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:23,230
they are or why even the diversity of

1539
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:25,390
things that people see or experience or

1540
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:27,070
even how goofy some of them are that

1541
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:28,270
they can't even you know capture a guy

1542
01:02:31,650 --> 01:02:30,430
in a tree or send out you know C minds

1543
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:31,660
to try to get the poor

1544
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:33,550
you know retired that from Dutch menthe

1545
01:02:36,810 --> 01:02:35,710
what's brought into their the Mirage

1546
01:02:38,730 --> 01:02:36,820
shaped ship

1547
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:38,740
these things are beyond strange and they

1548
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:40,360
don't make sense and really if they are

1549
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:42,070
that advanced why even bother appearing

1550
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:44,500
to us why not just keep it mysterious as

1551
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:45,610
chris said there's a theatrical

1552
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:48,010
component to it as much as there's a shy

1553
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:49,390
component to it and I think it's

1554
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:51,670
actually a very complex phenomenon and I

1555
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:53,320
don't think the ETH actually can answer

1556
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:55,690
to the degree of complexity of both

1557
01:02:59,640 --> 01:02:57,460
human perception memory consciousness

1558
01:03:00,930 --> 01:02:59,650
and what's being reported in terms of

1559
01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:00,940
what's taking place when people get up

1560
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:02,920
close to this phenomenon and you're not

1561
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:05,950
even mentioning literally hundreds of

1562
01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:08,380
different types of appearing craft

1563
01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:11,080
there's flying snow cones there's

1564
01:03:16,650 --> 01:03:14,200
there's I mean flying dumbbells there's

1565
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:16,660
almost every conceivable shape that you

1566
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:18,820
can imagine at one point or another has

1567
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:21,430
been has been reported as flying through

1568
01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:23,950
the air and freaking somebody out all

1569
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:26,200
the different entity types I just have a

1570
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:29,410
very very difficult time reconciling

1571
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,350
that and and the idea you know of course

1572
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:35,200
Fermi's paradox it's a great debate on

1573
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:38,560
the ETH with Jean and Chris and a bunch

1574
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:47,220
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primarily so far on Robert and now

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Thomas Robert was saying that there was

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fourteen million two hundred and forty

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million close encounters cases well

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Jesus show me the proof you know we've

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got plenty of evidence that we've got

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01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:28,730
object sighted in the skies but we can

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:31,190
seriously conclude that fourteen million

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to one hundred and forty million close

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01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:34,070
encounters cases have actually happened

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01:08:38,590 --> 01:08:36,650
I don't think so you know I think that

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01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:38,600
it when you start throwing in these kind

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01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:40,580
of facts and putting them all under one

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01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:41,990
umbrella you get into some real trouble

1695
01:08:46,090 --> 01:08:44,060
because no one hypothesis is gonna be

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:46,100
able to explain the entire range of

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01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,770
exotic human experiences so what I said

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01:08:53,710 --> 01:08:51,440
was is valets estimate mathematical

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01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:53,720
intimate information scientists that he

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:56,359
is is that there's been 14 million close

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01:09:01,480 --> 01:08:58,370
encounter cases over the course of a

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01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,490
40-year span so you can read that paper

1703
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,960
it's an online one and pretty popular

1704
01:09:07,150 --> 01:09:04,880
pieces he walks you through the steps

1705
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:07,160
but if we recognize that close encounter

1706
01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:09,530
cases are ten percent of the UFO

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01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:11,000
phenomenon then we've got to multiply

1708
01:09:14,230 --> 01:09:12,950
those fourteen close encounter by

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01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:14,240
another factor of ten and that means

1710
01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:15,800
there's a hundred and forty million UFO

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01:09:19,810 --> 01:09:17,780
visit pieces which means that they're

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01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:19,820
all over the place and and that in fact

1713
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:21,560
is obviously not the case in this so I

1714
01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:22,970
think that's where things get

1715
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:25,580
problematic on that level what is the

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01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:27,410
qualifying is a close encounter is he

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01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:29,510
saying that while posing an alien or

1718
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:31,190
stating is five hundred feet right

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01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:33,380
within an object oh okay I thought you

1720
01:09:36,310 --> 01:09:34,910
were referring to like seeing a being

1721
01:09:38,770 --> 01:09:36,320
like in close encounter the third time

1722
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:38,780
no no no that's a separate piece but

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01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:40,070
that close encounter piece is five

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01:09:43,540 --> 01:09:41,510
hundred feet within an object and we

1725
01:09:44,650 --> 01:09:43,550
seem that whenever we get closer to it

1726
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:44,660
so when you talk about those radar

1727
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:46,100
pieces we still don't know what that

1728
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:47,510
object is I don't even care about where

1729
01:09:51,550 --> 01:09:49,490
it's come from but we don't know what it

1730
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:51,560
is whether it's a ball of plasma or or

1731
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:53,690
who knows what's taking place there in

1732
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,460
the sky so yes we're getting a radar

1733
01:09:58,890 --> 01:09:57,280
piece cluster Birds whatever

1734
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:58,900
we just know that we've got this odd

1735
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:00,610
thing that's there but we can't really

1736
01:10:04,049 --> 01:10:02,110
name it as something until we do

1737
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,059
thorough investigations and I think one

1738
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:05,679
of the great pieces that plagues the

1739
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:08,110
history of ufology is bad data in again

1740
01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:10,030
ballet who with his capella project you

1741
01:10:12,990 --> 01:10:11,320
know tried to take all these warehouse

1742
01:10:14,879 --> 01:10:13,000
of data and work with it and he said

1743
01:10:16,410 --> 01:10:14,889
it's impossible there's garbage in

1744
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:16,420
garbage out you don't have consistent

1745
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:18,369
collections of data when you go from

1746
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:19,630
country to country or even within

1747
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:21,369
country like America you've got all

1748
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:22,510
kinds of different kind of data

1749
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:24,489
reporting pieces and often the

1750
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:26,409
investigation of the case stops with a

1751
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:28,260
witness report and so his most recent

1752
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:30,670
speech at contact in the desert was

1753
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:32,110
fascinating because there he went

1754
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,550
through a series of different cases that

1755
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:35,760
on the face of it look like phenomenal

1756
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,130
UFO cases but when they are investigated

1757
01:10:43,049 --> 01:10:40,960
a little bit more thoroughly and with

1758
01:10:44,339 --> 01:10:43,059
great detail with the resources that you

1759
01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:44,349
know somebody like the CNAs

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01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:46,630
in France could do suddenly the case

1761
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:48,460
breaks down as something totally mundane

1762
01:10:52,109 --> 01:10:49,900
and we have to ask that question how

1763
01:10:53,729 --> 01:10:52,119
much of the data that we've got that are

1764
01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:53,739
these incidental reports here and there

1765
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,900
that have never really had total

1766
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:58,000
thorough investigation applied to all of

1767
01:11:01,529 --> 01:10:59,469
them how much of that data is even

1768
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,539
useful for us I couldn't agree more and

1769
01:11:05,129 --> 01:11:03,280
that brings us to a really critical

1770
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:05,139
point that's often raised in this debate

1771
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:08,230
for seventy years of us follow gee we

1772
01:11:12,899 --> 01:11:10,360
the eth still hasn't advanced the field

1773
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:12,909
to understand the nature and origin of

1774
01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:15,190
these experiences well but but in

1775
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,380
reality legislate you said we've never

1776
01:11:21,870 --> 01:11:19,500
ever had a focused scientific

1777
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,880
investigation using the right equipment

1778
01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:23,440
using trained professionals in an

1779
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:25,780
organized systematic way like science

1780
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:27,190
studies everything else in the universe

1781
01:11:32,549 --> 01:11:29,770
so until we have that we are working

1782
01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:32,559
with pretty much useless datasets so we

1783
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,270
needed an effort to do that and that's

1784
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:35,679
why I'm so excited about what Chris is

1785
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,300
doing because it's actually the first

1786
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:39,760
really legitimate scientific effort to

1787
01:11:44,609 --> 01:11:42,520
collect scientific data about the things

1788
01:11:46,620 --> 01:11:44,619
that are happening in our skies I agree

1789
01:11:48,959 --> 01:11:46,630
with that 100% as Vallet likes to say we

1790
01:11:51,569 --> 01:11:48,969
have yet done the basic science on this

1791
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:51,579
that's right so how can we properly talk

1792
01:11:55,229 --> 01:11:53,770
about it then well you haven't done the

1793
01:11:58,109 --> 01:11:55,239
basic science and yet make all these

1794
01:12:00,629 --> 01:11:58,119
assumptions about what's being seen it's

1795
01:12:01,709 --> 01:12:00,639
exactly as the witness reported it we

1796
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:01,719
haven't really done the proper

1797
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:03,460
investigation piece and I think when we

1798
01:12:06,959 --> 01:12:05,320
do look at you know the cases where

1799
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:06,969
we've done thorough investigations and

1800
01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:08,110
you know whether it's Kevin Randall's

1801
01:12:10,649 --> 01:12:09,969
you know going back to revisit cases now

1802
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:10,659
or ballet

1803
01:12:14,699 --> 01:12:12,550
going back to revisit cases what we

1804
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:14,709
start to see is is that things do break

1805
01:12:18,629 --> 01:12:17,169
down and suddenly mundanity appears at

1806
01:12:21,419 --> 01:12:18,639
the end of the line so the question is

1807
01:12:23,129 --> 01:12:21,429
is how much of the ETH scenario is a

1808
01:12:25,919 --> 01:12:23,139
myth that we have constructed for

1809
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:25,929
ourselves based on story telling a story

1810
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,340
telling from witnesses of the

1811
01:12:31,259 --> 01:12:29,199
experiences that are outlandish dramatic

1812
01:12:33,870 --> 01:12:31,269
and the majority of which are entirely

1813
01:12:35,790 --> 01:12:33,880
single person cases the number of cases

1814
01:12:37,649 --> 01:12:35,800
that are two or more after that goes

1815
01:12:39,179 --> 01:12:37,659
down by about a third and then after

1816
01:12:41,759 --> 01:12:39,189
that cases where it has multiple

1817
01:12:43,979 --> 01:12:41,769
witnesses these are very very small in

1818
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,989
number cases so the majority of what we

1819
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:45,760
know and think we know about the UFO

1820
01:12:49,529 --> 01:12:47,289
phenomenon comes from a single

1821
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:49,539
individual reporting and and we want to

1822
01:12:53,339 --> 01:12:51,280
believe that everything that they saw is

1823
01:12:54,899 --> 01:12:53,349
accurate when we know that that there's

1824
01:12:56,429 --> 01:12:54,909
a lot more that goes on when it comes to

1825
01:12:58,319 --> 01:12:56,439
seeing and when we start talking about

1826
01:12:59,939 --> 01:12:58,329
the close encounter world we know that

1827
01:13:01,799 --> 01:12:59,949
there's obviously a lot of other things

1828
01:13:04,529 --> 01:13:01,809
that need to be examined in terms of the

1829
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:04,539
nature of that individual of their state

1830
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:06,070
of mind of what's taking place I like to

1831
01:13:09,149 --> 01:13:07,780
think of the UFO you know close

1832
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:09,159
encounter piece is a set and setting

1833
01:13:11,609 --> 01:13:10,239
event what's the mindset of that

1834
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:11,619
individual and what's the setting that

1835
01:13:14,729 --> 01:13:13,329
they were in and maybe we can draw a lot

1836
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:14,739
more information about the phenomenon

1837
01:13:18,659 --> 01:13:16,449
when we start looking at it from that

1838
01:13:20,009 --> 01:13:18,669
perspective and start scrutinizing that

1839
01:13:21,719 --> 01:13:20,019
individual who's done the seeing in the

1840
01:13:24,569 --> 01:13:21,729
first place the multiple witness

1841
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:24,579
sightings cases might be a minority but

1842
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:26,590
what they tell us is that almost

1843
01:13:31,379 --> 01:13:29,110
unanimously people see the same thing

1844
01:13:33,779 --> 01:13:31,389
when there's witnessing these things I'm

1845
01:13:35,429 --> 01:13:33,789
not aware of any cases where you had

1846
01:13:36,839 --> 01:13:35,439
three different independent witnesses

1847
01:13:38,939 --> 01:13:36,849
who saw three completely different

1848
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:38,949
things in the sky descriptions might be

1849
01:13:42,449 --> 01:13:40,570
a little bit off because you know nobody

1850
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:42,459
is gonna recall and perceive exactly the

1851
01:13:46,739 --> 01:13:44,169
same features in exactly the same way -

1852
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:46,749
like with any event I don't see gross

1853
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,010
disparities between the observations

1854
01:13:51,509 --> 01:13:50,320
maybe there are cases like that but they

1855
01:13:53,069 --> 01:13:51,519
don't seem to be prevalent enough to

1856
01:13:54,929 --> 01:13:53,079
have made it onto my radar so I think

1857
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:54,939
that that shows us that people tend to

1858
01:13:59,159 --> 01:13:57,010
report pretty much what is witnessed in

1859
01:14:01,140 --> 01:13:59,169
this in the sky sure and maybe when we

1860
01:14:02,549 --> 01:14:01,150
do really good detailed investigations

1861
01:14:04,259 --> 01:14:02,559
of that we find out that they just saw

1862
01:14:06,929 --> 01:14:04,269
you know a power transformer blew up or

1863
01:14:08,729 --> 01:14:06,939
an overload Corona on a on a wire and

1864
01:14:10,799 --> 01:14:08,739
sure they all saw the same thing but it

1865
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:10,809
doesn't mean it's a UFO in Budd Hopkins

1866
01:14:14,009 --> 01:14:12,729
case there's a group of people who are

1867
01:14:15,779 --> 01:14:14,019
standing in the window looking at

1868
01:14:17,699 --> 01:14:15,789
something very very bizarre and surreal

1869
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:17,709
of the sky and the one individual

1870
01:14:20,909 --> 01:14:19,030
witness claims he had an abduction

1871
01:14:22,469 --> 01:14:20,919
experience in that when the group gets

1872
01:14:24,420 --> 01:14:22,479
together years later nobody can seem to

1873
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:24,430
actually recall the original event a

1874
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:26,140
decade later they all recall the event

1875
01:14:29,370 --> 01:14:27,400
but they start reporting different

1876
01:14:31,140 --> 01:14:29,380
things memory plays a role inside these

1877
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:31,150
things as well too but I think the times

1878
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:33,730
that we see actual you know two or more

1879
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:36,070
witnesses seeing the same thing I think

1880
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:37,360
those are actually are very critical

1881
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:38,830
cases and we should throw a lot of

1882
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:41,170
effort into those ones to either track

1883
01:14:46,110 --> 01:14:44,050
down mundanity or to identify with some

1884
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:46,120
clarity as to what's taking place I've

1885
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,650
talked to people where two or more

1886
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:50,320
witness sighting pieces and those ones

1887
01:14:52,830 --> 01:14:51,400
blow my mind like those are the ones

1888
01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:52,840
where I listen to what they have to say

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and I go wow sounds like an alien from

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outer space to me you know and I think

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those are fascinating ones and we should

1892
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put more energies into it but I think a

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lot of the other cases that are often

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are highly dramatic and wonderfully

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theatrical seem to originate from a lone

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individual alone somewhere or in the

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case of pascagoula you've got two people

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there and in Portage County you've got

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multiple police officers you listen to

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their tapes and the recordings that

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they've done right after the event took

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place and you say to yourself mine

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goodness that is the strangest thing

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that could happen to a human being and

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it certainly sounds and looks like it's

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aliens from outer space that's taking

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place yet when we have to take that and

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add it up with all the other examples of

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it and just how prolific the phenomenon

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is I think we have to scratch our heads

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a little bit and go well wait a second

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here not only is it too prolific but the

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medieval retro technology that they

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appear to be using on us is also rather

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nonsensical I mean how many eggs and

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ovum and sperm do you really need to

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collect in the first place and even now

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with our own technology we can do that

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without leaving a mark on a person not

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traumatizing them not making a point of

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it in human history that it should be

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something paid attention to because

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those theatrical medieval you know

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medical experiments are things that are

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being well logged here on the history of

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the planet and and they're they're

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invading our kind of our a sociological

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culture and a way to say no here we are

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we're here they're not evasive at all in

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those moments so I find that a little

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bit bizarre that we see both evasive

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nests when they're flying in the sky but

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when they're down here on the ground

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they're inserting ourselves their selves

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a few things to say Mike yes so thanks

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filters are of their own biology and

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their own singular worldview we're the

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only tool using energy exploiting

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species on the planet and so when we

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talk about ET we tend to lump them all

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into the one umbrella the one I'm one

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basket we tend to distribute the

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motivations in a singular sense when an

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with an actual factor model even just

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looking in our local neighborhood the

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galaxy favors multiple species multiple

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visitors the idea that the craft all

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looked different well that's entirely

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consistent with with the current model

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it's far far more complex and one one

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01:22:06,750 --> 01:22:04,780
species of ET visiting is with one set

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01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:06,760
of motivations and one set of thumb

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goals and everything else will serve a

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problem with time scale you know human

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beings look the dolphins and we see an

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animal that lives in the water but when

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you when you actually look at the

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dolphin Creek critter itself it's

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started off in the water like all life

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did then it moved on to the land and

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then it moved back to the water and and

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I mean most people they don't grasp that

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the time scale involves that the bigger

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picture involved that we tend to look at

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things through a tiny little narrow

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worldview and and then all of a sudden

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things don't make sense you know there's

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a bit but you know the reality is it's

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very very complex and and the model

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01:22:44,850 --> 01:22:42,360
itself favors multiple motivations

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multiple species yes some of them are

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able to breathe air here maybe because

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they've bioengineered themselves to do

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so some of them may just stay in their

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craft you know and not come out at all

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some may send probes some may not and we

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could be dealing with hundreds and

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hundreds and hundreds of different

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species that's right there is rough

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forty billion earth-like planets in the

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habitable zone of their parent stars in

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the Milky Way alone so even it's even a

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01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:11,050
noticeable fraction of that were to

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evolve intelligent life we could be

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awash in a sea of myriad technological

2104
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civilizations all around us which would

2105
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be fully consistent with what we're

2106
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seeing and because we're a singular

2107
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species here we tend to look at look at

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the whole thing through a singular

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species viewpoint we try and we try and

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find some common motivation some common

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reason why they're here or why they're

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not here or what they're doing but the

2113
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reality is that they're the reasons and

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the behaviors can can be spread across a

2115
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broad spectrum of species yeah and the

2116
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human species has only been around for

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about fifty thousand years we could be

2118
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dealing with civilizations that are

2119
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:51,310
hundreds of thousands millions of years

2120
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farther along than we are trying to

2121
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understand their motivations and their

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technology would be you know think

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canceled us and they can be anywhere in

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between it's fairly reasonable to expect

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that any civilization would want to send

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a physical prison other planets to

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collect data the most effective way to

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do it you need to be close to something

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to study it clearly absolutely I don't

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understand that I guess that line of

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thinking particularly knowing that the

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way that we're looking to try to explore

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space now is not by investing a lot of

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money into a singular craft that we hope

2135
01:24:30,090 --> 01:24:27,220
makes it through you know whether it's

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radiation belts our incoming meteors etc

2137
01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:32,740
we seem to be designing technology that

2138
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is far more on a much smaller scale and

2139
01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:37,360
is more efficient at sending back

2140
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information and again if we're talking

2141
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about an advanced technological species

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and we take a look at the direction our

2143
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own technology is going in and this was

2144
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one of the pieces we talked about on the

2145
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thread you know the notion of using a

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nano or a very small micro technology

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that can self-replicate and design

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itself along the way and send data back

2149
01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:58,930
saves a species a lot of resources a lot

2150
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of risk a lot of danger there's no

2151
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reason to send a life-form out there and

2152
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if we're talking about societies and

2153
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cultures that are hundreds of thousands

2154
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or millions of years old we would like

2155
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to think perhaps that the value of human

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life or their own alien life

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be so significant and immortality so

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significant why bother risking traveling

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off somewhere else when all the

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information that you need to collect you

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can do remotely and just have it beamed

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right back to you that's right yes that

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we wouldn't even know it yeah that

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doesn't mean they all had to do that

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01:25:36,509 --> 01:25:34,599
some of the makes you'd be doing exactly

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that and we wouldn't even know about it

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01:25:40,169 --> 01:25:37,959
they'd be sending nanoprobes down

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01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:40,179
collecting data using stealth technology

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clothes technology doing whatever they

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they want to him we wouldn't even be

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aware of it but that doesn't mean they

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all have to do it again that presupposes

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they're here to get data in the first

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place or that data even involves the

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human society at large I mean they

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appear to be mostly disinterested in our

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civilization they approach individuals

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not thought groups or authority figures

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it may be the biodiversity that's of

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interest to them and we may be you know

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a virus or a nuisance and in in their

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minds detrimental to to what they might

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consider to be an incredible you know

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biodiversity there our planet has so we

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may not even be the focus of the main

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01:26:23,339 --> 01:26:20,319
attention let's let's put it that way

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the main focus for some of them just

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looking at at the abduction phenomenon

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01:26:30,599 --> 01:26:28,209
and how watching Derrel Sims break out

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his jewelry case that he keeps man cuffs

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around his wrist and looking at all

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these objects in there and knowing darn

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01:26:41,609 --> 01:26:38,109
well that some sort of nanotech device

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could probably you know do anything that

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you you could ask of it with our state

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of technology and instead of having

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things that look like you know a little

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miniature peas or finishing nails or

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01:26:56,669 --> 01:26:53,919
chips of glass that sort of thing again

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01:27:00,049 --> 01:26:56,679
it brings it brings back the whole

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01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:00,059
question of theatricality and why

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01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,199
appearances are probably deceiving

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01:27:10,409 --> 01:27:07,199
theater or all observation is theater

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01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:10,419
the degree of theatricality comes into

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01:27:14,779 --> 01:27:12,249
how strange it is the what you're

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01:27:16,949 --> 01:27:14,789
observing all all observation is theater

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01:27:18,899 --> 01:27:16,959
thank you can I throw one thing out I've

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01:27:21,449 --> 01:27:18,909
witnessed that kind of theatricality

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01:27:23,849 --> 01:27:21,459
there Chris what if we are secondary to

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the whole thing if we're if if we as

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01:27:26,820 --> 01:27:25,659
observers really have nothing or

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something tangental to do

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with whatever it is they happen to be

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01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:29,830
doing at the moment what they're doing

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01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:31,660
may not make any sense to us at all it

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01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:34,140
may feel feel they're very theatrical

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01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:36,730
right or if they're not here for reasons

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01:27:39,870 --> 01:27:38,110
that we would understand to be rational

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01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:39,880
reasons at all because whatever drives

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our economy or whatever reason they're

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01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:44,050
there here doesn't even exist or we

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01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:45,610
don't even understand what it is

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01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:47,920
maybe the theatricality is the goal of

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01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:50,800
they're trying to do right like we do we

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01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:52,330
don't know why they're here yeah

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01:27:57,780 --> 01:27:54,730
possibly I mean yeah and again that

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01:28:01,920 --> 01:27:57,790
brings up you know the whole idea of the

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01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:01,930
slow non predictable way that these that

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01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:04,600
these encounters are taking place smacks

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01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:07,000
a very effective behavior modification

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01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:11,170
all UPOV love and BF Skinner and you

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01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:13,330
know people that have done work in that

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01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:16,150
realm have found that unpredictability

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01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,980
and and some form of reward tends to

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work best when you're trying to modify

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01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:26,230
behavior and a lot of what I think is

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being described in the in the books and

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01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:32,800
in in case logs does suggest that we are

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being programmed I think in a mass scale

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there's some sort of behavioral

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behavioral programming going on and

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again that presupposes some sort of

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agenda along those lines but at the same

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01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:47,410
time

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01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:50,710
point well-taken we really we have

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something to go on all we have is what

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is appearing at face value and you know

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again the point is well-taken that

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perhaps that theatricality is more of

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something though you know like the

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magician saying you know focus on my

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right hand while the left hands doing

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doing the the magical trick so you know

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again I just think it's it's

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inconceivable to me that you know after

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all this work that we put in attempting

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01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:21,220
to detect signals out there that it

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appears to be a big silent void that

2259
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,060
that we really haven't been able to

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01:29:29,610 --> 01:29:27,360
detect anything that would conclusively

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01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:29,620
indicate that there is intelligent life

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01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:32,050
out in the universe right now you know I

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01:29:40,130 --> 01:29:38,800
think Fermi is I think he's kind of the

2264
01:29:43,550 --> 01:29:40,140
whole paradox is ringing true

2265
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:43,560
to me at least I have a question to pose

2266
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here based much on what Chris said if

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we're making all these efforts to listen

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to something and we've got eet flying

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01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:53,520
around the skies here all over the place

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01:29:58,820 --> 01:29:56,100
all over the planet a number of

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01:30:00,230 --> 01:29:58,830
different eat he races will get a break

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01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:00,240
and then we'll get some answers to

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01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:03,750
somebody why is it that we don't pick up

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01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:06,510
their transmissions is it because

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01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:09,540
they're using some kind of method that

2276
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:11,910
we don't detect they're using subspace

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01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,310
radio and we haven't invented that

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01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,280
technology yet what is it why can't we

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hear them if they're talking to one

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another and we assume they should be

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right jean chris roberts Jason Mike and

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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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wants to take the question there I do it

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okay you know I think other than Mike

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was a very obvious little to his chatter

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it's hard to know who was who so who was

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answering oh that was me and you are at

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Thomas Thomas go ahead look we only had

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about one century of widespread radio

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transmission technology and we're

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already now gravitating over towards

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focused satellite transmission cable

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things like that so that little radio

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era is a very brief period even in our

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own history and it's already fading out

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really quickly and even the signals that

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we are transmitting which are now much

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lower power like cell phone systems and

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that kind of things they've changed

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their frequencies dramatically from 50

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years ago right plus there are other

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broadband and encrypted forms of

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communication that would be easy to use

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in any number of signal bands without

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being detected whatsoever also people

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seriously overestimate the capabilities

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of SETI if there was a SETI program

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around the nearest star system to south

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centauri they would not be able to pick

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up any of the transmissions to

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communications that we've created here

2422
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:31,560
on the earth because our signals are too

2423
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:33,540
weak and the distances are too vast

2424
01:36:37,010 --> 01:36:35,250
the only signals they'd be able to pick

2425
01:36:39,170 --> 01:36:37,020
up would be high-powered radar and that

2426
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,180
contains no information whatsoever and

2427
01:36:42,860 --> 01:36:41,040
it's some distance beyond that you want

2428
01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:42,870
to even be able to detect a high-powered

2429
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:45,120
radar so SETI is not a very effective

2430
01:36:50,150 --> 01:36:47,130
way to go especially when you factor in

2431
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,160
the fact that our our 100 years of

2432
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:52,800
widespread radio use is already fading

2433
01:36:58,490 --> 01:36:55,410
out and the civilization would have to

2434
01:37:00,500 --> 01:36:58,500
be going through that exact same type of

2435
01:37:02,570 --> 01:37:00,510
technological development at the same

2436
01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:02,580
time we are essentially in order for

2437
01:37:04,669 --> 01:37:03,960
those signals to make it to us plus

2438
01:37:06,770 --> 01:37:04,679
they'd have to

2439
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:06,780
with them much more loudly in air

2440
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,420
therefore much less efficiently than we

2441
01:37:13,580 --> 01:37:11,760
ourselves have done and even Syria

2442
01:37:15,169 --> 01:37:13,590
themselves have said recently we may

2443
01:37:17,330 --> 01:37:15,179
have been looking in the wrong places we

2444
01:37:19,219 --> 01:37:17,340
may have been looking based on the fact

2445
01:37:20,569 --> 01:37:19,229
that we're expecting biological

2446
01:37:22,669 --> 01:37:20,579
creatures like ourselves so we're

2447
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:22,679
looking in habitable zones if in fact

2448
01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:24,329
the vast majority of the galactic

2449
01:37:29,209 --> 01:37:26,670
societies are post biological that could

2450
01:37:31,310 --> 01:37:29,219
be living in areas that we haven't even

2451
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:31,320
been pointing our gear at right or

2452
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,689
simply on spacecraft I mean with once

2453
01:37:38,060 --> 01:37:35,760
you have the ability to traverse the

2454
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:38,070
stars efficiently there's no point in

2455
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:39,689
setting down on a planet you should just

2456
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:41,489
stay aboard your ship and have a roving

2457
01:37:48,259 --> 01:37:44,639
civilization yep well the other question

2458
01:37:52,129 --> 01:37:48,269
we have here is that with so many

2459
01:37:54,859 --> 01:37:52,139
different alleged space beings exploring

2460
01:37:58,969 --> 01:37:54,869
us do they interact with one another how

2461
01:38:01,759 --> 01:37:58,979
do we know how ya know right now there's

2462
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,769
a space war going on it's cloaked so we

2463
01:38:07,939 --> 01:38:03,840
can't see it you see that's the other

2464
01:38:09,859 --> 01:38:07,949
issue here - wouldn't you think we have

2465
01:38:13,069 --> 01:38:09,869
stealth technology wouldn't you think an

2466
01:38:15,529 --> 01:38:13,079
advanced alien civilization could pretty

2467
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:15,539
much hide their travels here so we'd

2468
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:19,199
never detect it or is no for our benefit

2469
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:21,780
we're announce all the time yeah I mean

2470
01:38:25,459 --> 01:38:24,150
there's been cases of read about where

2471
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:25,469
people have seen what looked like a

2472
01:38:29,959 --> 01:38:27,719
close a cloaked ship like a distortion

2473
01:38:30,979 --> 01:38:29,969
against the background sky where they

2474
01:38:32,689 --> 01:38:30,989
knew something was there but they

2475
01:38:35,899 --> 01:38:32,699
couldn't actually make it out they've

2476
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:35,909
been watching Star Trek - I've actually

2477
01:38:41,509 --> 01:38:38,639
seen that a whole bunch of other

2478
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:41,519
witnesses I might add right so it does

2479
01:38:46,219 --> 01:38:43,170
appear to be happening plus we have lots

2480
01:38:47,959 --> 01:38:46,229
of visual sightings where we couldn't

2481
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:47,969
get radar confirmation now maybe that

2482
01:38:52,129 --> 01:38:50,010
radar was being withheld but maybe it

2483
01:38:53,899 --> 01:38:52,139
was just being cloaked you know using

2484
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:53,909
the similar type of technology that we

2485
01:38:57,949 --> 01:38:56,249
use well it's the Romulans that's all

2486
01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:57,959
well they just want to throw one thing

2487
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:00,780
out there if they are capable of perfect

2488
01:39:04,689 --> 01:39:02,820
invisibility like like witnesses have

2489
01:39:07,759 --> 01:39:04,699
said then why do they show themselves

2490
01:39:09,709 --> 01:39:07,769
either they are doing it on purpose or

2491
01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:09,719
they're really bad at or they don't

2492
01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:11,550
you're lumping them into one basket here

2493
01:39:18,220 --> 01:39:13,320
you're saying that is if they're ones I

2494
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:20,270
maybe the example to be like the guy

2495
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:22,650
that flies a single-engine Cessna over

2496
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:24,750
over a village in South America and then

2497
01:39:28,700 --> 01:39:26,370
the next day the Air Force flies our

2498
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:28,710
supersonic jet over it now dead to them

2499
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:29,910
if they're going to look at those as

2500
01:39:33,110 --> 01:39:31,620
singular then they're not gonna make

2501
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:33,120
much sense of the difference in

2502
01:39:38,330 --> 01:39:36,810
behaviour and technology fair point so

2503
01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:38,340
if there's so many of those species

2504
01:39:41,780 --> 01:39:39,960
flying around there and we've never seen

2505
01:39:44,180 --> 01:39:41,790
them shoot down each other above our

2506
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:44,190
planet and fighting over whatever their

2507
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:46,770
economic gain or material or knowledge

2508
01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:48,570
between is for the reasons why they're

2509
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:51,120
here then one should also assume there's

2510
01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:53,130
some kind of collaboration at work there

2511
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:55,260
as well amongst them and says why not

2512
01:39:59,660 --> 01:39:57,690
have the Federation come by and just

2513
01:40:01,700 --> 01:39:59,670
drop off the little probe and send the

2514
01:40:03,740 --> 01:40:01,710
data back to everybody so again there

2515
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,750
doesn't have to be this massive waste of

2516
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:05,520
resources and so many different

2517
01:40:09,140 --> 01:40:07,410
incomprehensible number of humanoids

2518
01:40:11,180 --> 01:40:09,150
that appear to be landing on our planet

2519
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,190
I think one of the big problems with the

2520
01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:13,440
ETH is that it's one of those theories

2521
01:40:16,910 --> 01:40:14,940
that does start to write its own

2522
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:16,920
narrative and it starts to chase its own

2523
01:40:20,780 --> 01:40:19,290
tail and develop a way of thinking about

2524
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:20,790
things that creates its own mythology

2525
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:23,250
for its own sake and I think that that

2526
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:24,570
actually is part of the misdirection

2527
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:26,340
because I do see it as a phenomenon

2528
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:28,290
that's very concerned with misdirection

2529
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:29,550
we talked about the idea of the

2530
01:40:33,710 --> 01:40:31,890
trickster quite quite often and it does

2531
01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:33,720
seem to be leading us to want to think

2532
01:40:38,300 --> 01:40:35,880
about it in a very specific and select

2533
01:40:40,820 --> 01:40:38,310
way and I wonder how much we're missing

2534
01:40:42,260 --> 01:40:40,830
in the equation when we've allowed that

2535
01:40:44,210 --> 01:40:42,270
narrative to be the singular one that's

2536
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:44,220
dominated because when we look at it we

2537
01:40:47,540 --> 01:40:45,570
actually haven't collected a lot of

2538
01:40:49,340 --> 01:40:47,550
information off that narrative so while

2539
01:40:51,620 --> 01:40:49,350
I'm not saying abandon ETH I'm saying

2540
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:51,630
maybe switching gears might allow us to

2541
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:53,100
see things from a different angle

2542
01:40:57,020 --> 01:40:54,690
different perspective collect some

2543
01:40:58,730 --> 01:40:57,030
better data than the narrative that the

2544
01:41:00,830 --> 01:40:58,740
ETH writes because we haven't gotten

2545
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:00,840
much from it at all how do we know it's

2546
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,730
a waste of resources but you're looking

2547
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:04,320
at that from the human point of view on

2548
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,210
a finite planet with a finite set of

2549
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:08,880
resources so from our filter yes that

2550
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,530
might seem like a waste of resources it

2551
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:12,000
may be nothing in them it may be a

2552
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:14,490
mouse's piss in the ocean to them to

2553
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:15,570
have a zillion crafts

2554
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:18,690
why bother visit us then there may be a

2555
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:20,370
post-scarcity capitalization where

2556
01:41:23,690 --> 01:41:22,590
resources are really constrained and I

2557
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:23,700
just want a challenge of thinking that

2558
01:41:27,140 --> 01:41:25,170
the perhaps are collaborating in all I

2559
01:41:28,580 --> 01:41:27,150
mean they appear to be disinterested in

2560
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:28,590
us as a society why would they be

2561
01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:30,450
interested in each other as a society

2562
01:41:35,239 --> 01:41:31,409
and be a perhaps if the

2563
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:35,249
of individuals here yeah I think we get

2564
01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:36,900
into a real bird's nest when we start

2565
01:41:41,029 --> 01:41:38,820
trying to dismantle motives and

2566
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:41,039
intentions and all of that kind of thing

2567
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:43,320
I mean do it yeah I have really very

2568
01:41:47,239 --> 01:41:45,329
little interest in trying to do that

2569
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:47,249
because it's counterfactual there's

2570
01:41:50,839 --> 01:41:49,169
absolutely no way to discern that and

2571
01:41:53,569 --> 01:41:50,849
all it does is muddy the conversation I

2572
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:53,579
love alternative ideas and explanations

2573
01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:55,169
and I'm sure that there are many other

2574
01:42:00,529 --> 01:41:57,689
very strange things that go on in our

2575
01:42:03,469 --> 01:42:00,539
lives that defy explanation that are

2576
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:03,479
have nothing to do with the ETH but I

2577
01:42:07,429 --> 01:42:05,610
don't think that we should lump them all

2578
01:42:08,989 --> 01:42:07,439
together and just say over the ETS can't

2579
01:42:11,149 --> 01:42:08,999
be right because it doesn't explain this

2580
01:42:13,069 --> 01:42:11,159
thing that I've thought up not seeing

2581
01:42:15,140 --> 01:42:13,079
it's not right and I'm not saying that

2582
01:42:17,239 --> 01:42:15,150
it should be abandoned entirely because

2583
01:42:18,469 --> 01:42:17,249
it does make full sense in terms of all

2584
01:42:20,899 --> 01:42:18,479
the things that we've been talking about

2585
01:42:22,370 --> 01:42:20,909
but when we add up all the data that

2586
01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:22,380
we've got and all the evidence we've got

2587
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,510
it doesn't seem to link up in a very

2588
01:42:28,669 --> 01:42:26,639
happy way it seems to point to a lot of

2589
01:42:30,049 --> 01:42:28,679
other potential motives at work and it

2590
01:42:32,449 --> 01:42:30,059
seems like we're being led down that

2591
01:42:33,979 --> 01:42:32,459
road to say yes that is aliens from

2592
01:42:35,179 --> 01:42:33,989
space and we shouldn't really worry too

2593
01:42:36,979 --> 01:42:35,189
much about it because they're just

2594
01:42:39,529 --> 01:42:36,989
beyond us anyways and I'm just wondering

2595
01:42:41,419 --> 01:42:39,539
are we missing missing some data missing

2596
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:41,429
information when we keep turning

2597
01:42:46,219 --> 01:42:44,010
ourselves to look upwards instead of

2598
01:42:48,649 --> 01:42:46,229
looking inwards to see how much of this

2599
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,659
phenomenon belongs to us how much of it

2600
01:42:52,069 --> 01:42:50,159
is something that we've helped to create

2601
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:52,079
there have been disdaining patterns that

2602
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:54,090
we know just from the 1900s onwards in

2603
01:42:59,779 --> 01:42:56,369
terms of looking at airships to Foo

2604
01:43:01,819 --> 01:42:59,789
Fighters and balls of of light to then

2605
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,829
literally nuts-and-bolts craft as

2606
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:03,840
reported by people seeing actual nuts

2607
01:43:10,069 --> 01:43:06,840
and bolts on the actual craft ooh glass

2608
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:10,079
shaped objects to triangles to platforms

2609
01:43:13,339 --> 01:43:11,880
the size of football fields and so there

2610
01:43:15,140 --> 01:43:13,349
are these other kind of pattern elements

2611
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:15,150
that are there that don't really make a

2612
01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:17,489
lot of sense when we think about the the

2613
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,169
lexicon that we've used to describe

2614
01:43:22,549 --> 01:43:20,880
these patterns that have taken place and

2615
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:22,559
they're very distinct patterns that are

2616
01:43:26,899 --> 01:43:24,510
that are known it seems that we are very

2617
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,909
involved in the phenomenon so when we

2618
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:28,800
keep looking outwards at the ETH

2619
01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:30,630
component of it we forget that there's a

2620
01:43:36,129 --> 01:43:33,300
single human witness who is one of the

2621
01:43:38,179 --> 01:43:36,139
greatest definers of the phenomenon

2622
01:43:39,949 --> 01:43:38,189
everything you've said there is entirely

2623
01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:39,959
consistent with with multiple species

2624
01:43:43,909 --> 01:43:42,300
that within the ath they're the

2625
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:43,919
different sorts of craft the different

2626
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:45,060
types of craft the ball

2627
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:47,190
at light the the glass shape grab that's

2628
01:43:51,770 --> 01:43:49,860
all entirely consistent with an athe mic

2629
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:51,780
you're saying like flying boats in the

2630
01:43:57,260 --> 01:43:54,690
air like airship mystery with like

2631
01:43:59,630 --> 01:43:57,270
cavemen too well-dressed British folk to

2632
01:44:01,970 --> 01:43:59,640
Asian people to people wearing furs

2633
01:44:03,380 --> 01:44:01,980
that's like completely consistent with

2634
01:44:06,050 --> 01:44:03,390
an advanced species that's coming to

2635
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:06,060
visit us not necessarily not necessarily

2636
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,250
I mean there's obviously also human

2637
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:10,080
beings tell lies and human beings trick

2638
01:44:13,190 --> 01:44:11,610
each other so you've got to add that

2639
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:13,200
other mixes word you've got to sort the

2640
01:44:18,860 --> 01:44:15,930
wheat from the chaff what is the

2641
01:44:20,990 --> 01:44:18,870
percentage there well it's very hard to

2642
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:21,000
tell as I said human beings love to play

2643
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:22,650
tricks on each other human beings love

2644
01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:24,600
to tell lies there's a famous cartoon

2645
01:44:28,670 --> 01:44:26,430
that I saw years ago where one alien

2646
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,680
says to the other that guy saw us what

2647
01:44:32,030 --> 01:44:30,480
are we gonna do and the other alien says

2648
01:44:33,470 --> 01:44:32,040
don't worry about it these guys are

2649
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:33,480
pathological liars no they're gonna

2650
01:44:37,940 --> 01:44:36,030
believe what he says so how much is real

2651
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:37,950
what should we study which is the good

2652
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,320
data I think I'll let Thomas I'll let

2653
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:41,520
Thomas answer that because I think I

2654
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:43,850
think he knows the answer to that one

2655
01:44:50,420 --> 01:44:47,850
form of Thomas delivers that answer and

2656
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:50,430
when you continue the debate and I'm

2657
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:52,770
also gonna ask okay whatever they are

2658
01:44:58,700 --> 01:44:54,600
how do we prove it which may be the

2659
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:58,710
biggest dilemma of all with UFOs were in

2660
01:45:03,950 --> 01:45:01,440
our sense here debating the

2661
01:45:06,260 --> 01:45:03,960
possibilities that UFOs are really

2662
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:06,270
spaceships or maybe not maybe there are

2663
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:08,250
other anomalies maybe it's a mixture of

2664
01:45:15,410 --> 01:45:10,370
so many different possibilities with

2665
01:45:18,230 --> 01:45:15,420
Robert Thomas Mike Jason Jean and Chris

2666
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:18,240
you're in the para cast

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[Applause]

2719
01:47:53,620 --> 01:47:49,320
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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2721
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:57,600
here's Jane Steinberg

2722
01:48:04,259 --> 01:48:00,719
[Music]

2723
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,269
we are debating the possibilities of the

2724
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:07,119
ETH the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

2725
01:48:11,909 --> 01:48:09,610
where the UFOs come from but I'm gonna

2726
01:48:13,619 --> 01:48:11,919
throw a bigger question in the final

2727
01:48:17,879 --> 01:48:13,629
third of the show here that's probably

2728
01:48:21,929 --> 01:48:17,889
the most difficult to consider here talk

2729
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:21,939
is cheap we can debate to the end of

2730
01:48:26,009 --> 01:48:24,729
creation as long as we are capable of

2731
01:48:30,209 --> 01:48:26,019
debating anything

2732
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:30,219
what UFOs really are and we won't solve

2733
01:48:36,060 --> 01:48:32,800
anything until there's a final answer so

2734
01:48:41,489 --> 01:48:36,070
Thomas since you began the debate in our

2735
01:48:42,959 --> 01:48:41,499
forums about extraterrestrial UFOs if we

2736
01:48:46,589 --> 01:48:42,969
assume that a lot of what you say is

2737
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:46,599
correct and the theory is valid how do

2738
01:48:51,149 --> 01:48:49,030
we prove it well I think what we need is

2739
01:48:52,949 --> 01:48:51,159
is exactly the kind of thing that Chris

2740
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:52,959
is doing but I'd love to see it on a

2741
01:48:57,029 --> 01:48:54,729
much larger scale and I think that Peter

2742
01:48:59,459 --> 01:48:57,039
Davenport had an absolutely brilliant

2743
01:49:01,290 --> 01:48:59,469
idea when he proposed the idea of a

2744
01:49:02,939 --> 01:49:01,300
passive radar system that we could

2745
01:49:05,310 --> 01:49:02,949
deploy in cities all around the country

2746
01:49:07,049 --> 01:49:05,320
and eventually create a national network

2747
01:49:09,239 --> 01:49:07,059
that's something that we could do in the

2748
01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:09,249
public where we'd actually have the

2749
01:49:13,229 --> 01:49:11,320
ability to see the data online in real

2750
01:49:15,569 --> 01:49:13,239
time that people could contribute to

2751
01:49:16,799 --> 01:49:15,579
that it could be attached to apps that

2752
01:49:18,359 --> 01:49:16,809
are installed on people's cell phones

2753
01:49:19,770 --> 01:49:18,369
they could be alerted if things are

2754
01:49:21,569 --> 01:49:19,780
happening in their area and they could

2755
01:49:23,219 --> 01:49:21,579
use their cameras to collect data and

2756
01:49:24,839 --> 01:49:23,229
all that kind of thing I believe in

2757
01:49:27,209 --> 01:49:24,849
scientific research I think that's

2758
01:49:29,699 --> 01:49:27,219
what's been missing for 70 years in UF

2759
01:49:31,649 --> 01:49:29,709
ology I think that it's long overdue and

2760
01:49:34,259 --> 01:49:31,659
I'm thankful to God that Chris has got

2761
01:49:35,489 --> 01:49:34,269
two thoughts to do it at least in the in

2762
01:49:38,549 --> 01:49:35,499
the public domain

2763
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:38,559
we don't know how involved governments

2764
01:49:44,879 --> 01:49:41,530
have gotten in in terms of actual hard

2765
01:49:47,279 --> 01:49:44,889
data monitoring with gear in in the case

2766
01:49:49,859 --> 01:49:47,289
of the San Luis Valley Project I'm very

2767
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,869
very fortunate to sit in a valley a very

2768
01:49:55,369 --> 01:49:51,280
large Valley that's radar invisible

2769
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,379
below 18,000 feet there is no radar

2770
01:50:00,839 --> 01:49:57,760
we're right in between three major

2771
01:50:02,399 --> 01:50:00,849
control areas from the FAA which

2772
01:50:04,319 --> 01:50:02,409
indicates to me that there's a

2773
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:04,329
possibility we may be able to get an

2774
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:04,960
active ray

2775
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:09,130
our scenario setup what we have in mind

2776
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:11,770
I've come up with an idea of slaving an

2777
01:50:15,870 --> 01:50:14,170
actual pan to a platform that will be

2778
01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:15,880
sent coordinate data just like the

2779
01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:17,320
cameras are being sent coordinate data

2780
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:20,200
and have this thing pointed at the event

2781
01:50:27,660 --> 01:50:23,520
and possibly dampened down a 350-degree

2782
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,670
of a 360 degrees sweep of a radar sweep

2783
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:29,920
and have a window open for about 10

2784
01:50:34,290 --> 01:50:31,810
degrees and because we're panning and

2785
01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:34,300
tilting and slaving motion with the

2786
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,340
actual platform we'll be able to shoot

2787
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:39,280
and paint an event you know I think

2788
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:42,489
fairly easily and get a return from an

2789
01:50:47,130 --> 01:50:45,130
active scenario as as as opposed to a

2790
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:47,140
passive one it'll be very difficult for

2791
01:50:51,540 --> 01:50:49,690
anybody even trying to find the unit to

2792
01:50:53,550 --> 01:50:51,550
find it because we're dampening down the

2793
01:50:56,729 --> 01:50:53,560
entire sweep with the exception of that

2794
01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:56,739
about 8 to 10 degrees so that's another

2795
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:58,930
idea and I think I can pull it off in

2796
01:51:06,090 --> 01:51:01,600
the valley because it's so remote there

2797
01:51:07,530 --> 01:51:06,100
is no competing signals yes so you know

2798
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:07,540
there are there are different ways to

2799
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:10,239
approach data gathering another area

2800
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:12,760
that I don't hear anybody ever talking

2801
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:17,290
about is ultrasonic monitoring vof and

2802
01:51:24,330 --> 01:51:21,100
Ulf extremely low frequency waves there

2803
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:24,340
is a subsonic component to the

2804
01:51:29,130 --> 01:51:27,250
phenomenon I'm convinced I've actually

2805
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,140
in one case I think I actually felt it

2806
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:31,360
it it almost made me nauseous

2807
01:51:38,670 --> 01:51:34,690
so there's a good possibility that we're

2808
01:51:41,729 --> 01:51:38,680
not even even thinking I think in a you

2809
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:41,739
know in totality with the kinds of of

2810
01:51:46,440 --> 01:51:43,750
scientific information we may be able to

2811
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,450
actually gain so if you've got acoustic

2812
01:51:50,820 --> 01:51:48,880
data you have radar returns you have

2813
01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:50,830
magnetic data you have gravitational

2814
01:51:56,010 --> 01:51:53,980
data both digital and analog optical

2815
01:51:58,380 --> 01:51:56,020
data the analog optical data could be

2816
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,390
divided up into light spectra so you'd

2817
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:00,880
be able to really zero in on you know

2818
01:52:04,860 --> 01:52:03,250
how much energy is being expended and

2819
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:04,870
what kind of energy is being expended

2820
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:07,510
this kind of data is going to be

2821
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:10,810
extremely difficult to debunk and

2822
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:12,850
probably the best they could do the

2823
01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:15,850
skeptics that are in them is just ignore

2824
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:16,870
it

2825
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:18,550
yeah but they won't because there's

2826
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:19,810
enough people in the scientific

2827
01:52:24,570 --> 01:52:22,510
community who would just wait over that

2828
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:24,580
data absolutely people would love to

2829
01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:26,530
jump on board analyze that to try to get

2830
01:52:29,790 --> 01:52:27,910
some handle on it looking for an

2831
01:52:31,470 --> 01:52:29,800
explanation because whoever comes up

2832
01:52:34,650 --> 01:52:31,480
with the most convincing explanation is

2833
01:52:36,810 --> 01:52:34,660
going to be you know widely revered is

2834
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:36,820
the person who solved the mystery you

2835
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:39,070
know that's a big big crown to wear

2836
01:52:44,910 --> 01:52:42,250
right well I think the whole idea that

2837
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:44,920
you brought up before about Peter

2838
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:48,190
Davenport in and starting to we could

2839
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:50,650
set up a a way for people to do this in

2840
01:52:55,770 --> 01:52:53,140
their own neighborhoods for not that

2841
01:52:57,870 --> 01:52:55,780
much money you know you start having a

2842
01:53:00,420 --> 01:52:57,880
component system that that is spreading

2843
01:53:03,060 --> 01:53:00,430
out and covering larger and larger and

2844
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:03,070
larger amounts of space invariably we're

2845
01:53:07,010 --> 01:53:04,510
gonna be able to get some replicated

2846
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:07,020
data the value this endless Valley has

2847
01:53:14,610 --> 01:53:11,440
very times almost predictable types of

2848
01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:14,620
craft and and flight lines which you

2849
01:53:18,300 --> 01:53:16,660
know goes into the whole scenario of

2850
01:53:22,020 --> 01:53:18,310
actually being able to replicate your

2851
01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:22,030
data which would be almost virtually

2852
01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:25,750
impossible to ignore if that by some

2853
01:53:35,790 --> 01:53:29,830
miracle to do that yeah it would be very

2854
01:53:37,890 --> 01:53:35,800
exciting absolutely yes question it can

2855
01:53:40,380 --> 01:53:37,900
be compartmentalize too I mean how do we

2856
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:40,390
prove it would we have to define we I

2857
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,730
mean it may well be that the the the

2858
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:44,560
government agencies have already proved

2859
01:53:50,190 --> 01:53:46,690
it and so the question then is how do we

2860
01:53:53,550 --> 01:53:50,200
as you know armchair researchers how do

2861
01:53:55,230 --> 01:53:53,560
we prove it and and the other point that

2862
01:53:57,300 --> 01:53:55,240
was made is is that if you can find

2863
01:53:59,460 --> 01:53:57,310
proof they'll be all over you look at

2864
01:54:01,170 --> 01:53:59,470
the committee report you had a general

2865
01:54:03,330 --> 01:54:01,180
peer best gone the engineer for

2866
01:54:05,850 --> 01:54:03,340
armaments he had General Elaine Orszag

2867
01:54:07,620 --> 01:54:05,860
he was an engineer in physics and

2868
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:07,630
armaments engineer he had the Air Force

2869
01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:09,730
the French Air Force involved there will

2870
01:54:14,910 --> 01:54:12,550
be a lot of interest in in in in in this

2871
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:14,920
proof and it'll come from people who

2872
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:17,410
want to exploit what they can find in

2873
01:54:21,390 --> 01:54:19,690
order to do you know make sure that

2874
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:21,400
their own little part of the world is

2875
01:54:24,630 --> 01:54:22,480
best looked after

2876
01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:24,640
I remember seeing documents from the

2877
01:54:29,229 --> 01:54:26,860
1940s that were originated from

2878
01:54:31,630 --> 01:54:29,239
operations at White Sands

2879
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:31,640
we're talking about deploying Senna Theo

2880
01:54:37,479 --> 01:54:34,450
delights to track unknown objects and

2881
01:54:39,250 --> 01:54:37,489
and I think they had I've read somewhere

2882
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:39,260
about janitor receptors that had gun

2883
01:54:43,450 --> 01:54:41,090
cameras and other side to equipment on

2884
01:54:45,670 --> 01:54:43,460
board that they could they could they

2885
01:54:47,650 --> 01:54:45,680
could send to a sighting area at the

2886
01:54:49,060 --> 01:54:47,660
time it was happening to collect data so

2887
01:54:51,310 --> 01:54:49,070
I think the military has already done

2888
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:51,320
this work and they've lovely arrived you

2889
01:54:55,180 --> 01:54:52,670
know at the conclusions that we're

2890
01:54:56,860 --> 01:54:55,190
looking for so it's hard to replicate

2891
01:54:59,080 --> 01:54:56,870
some of those things but fortunately

2892
01:55:01,450 --> 01:54:59,090
like Chris has pointed out you can now

2893
01:55:03,190 --> 01:55:01,460
buy you know a hundred thousand dollars

2894
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:03,200
worth of technology you know from the

2895
01:55:06,370 --> 01:55:05,840
1960s for fifteen dollars and put it on

2896
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:06,380
a Piton

2897
01:55:11,050 --> 01:55:09,410
PC board off you go yes literally and

2898
01:55:13,660 --> 01:55:11,060
another thing that I find very

2899
01:55:16,900 --> 01:55:13,670
interesting and looking at my my event

2900
01:55:19,150 --> 01:55:16,910
log over a 10 12 year period is there's

2901
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:19,160
quite a number of reports that feature

2902
01:55:23,979 --> 01:55:22,130
the Air Force arriving at about to the

2903
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:23,989
second how long it would take for them

2904
01:55:29,740 --> 01:55:26,239
to get there from the Front Range and go

2905
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:29,750
hauling ass after these craft and and

2906
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:32,120
there definitely seems in at least in my

2907
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:36,730
estimation to be a real active response

2908
01:55:41,050 --> 01:55:38,960
to many of these sighting events

2909
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:41,060
especially in the area where I was

2910
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:43,280
investigating I mean there was a number

2911
01:55:47,650 --> 01:55:45,130
of times that you could almost time them

2912
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:47,660
that seven minute window it would take

2913
01:55:52,140 --> 01:55:49,310
to scramble a jet and get it over here

2914
01:55:55,450 --> 01:55:52,150
seven to eight minutes it would take

2915
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:55,460
with somebody on standby and there were

2916
01:56:00,280 --> 01:55:57,530
a number of times where it was almost

2917
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:00,290
comical you know okay they should be

2918
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,810
here any second now here comes an f-16

2919
01:56:06,700 --> 01:56:04,880
on full military power you know I do

2920
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,710
really have a sense that if the

2921
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:08,719
government has not already done this in

2922
01:56:16,660 --> 01:56:10,310
the military has not already been tasked

2923
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:16,670
with this they're they're idiots last

2924
01:56:20,979 --> 01:56:19,010
seventy years and it really it's it's

2925
01:56:22,990 --> 01:56:20,989
really frustrating because we footed the

2926
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,000
bill for that and I don't see what gives

2927
01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:25,760
the military dominion over research into

2928
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:28,540
an anomalous phenomena in the sky

2929
01:56:35,020 --> 01:56:32,090
security experience with the local air

2930
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:35,030
force the RAF here in Australia you know

2931
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:36,560
you call a banks call center because

2932
01:56:38,590 --> 01:56:37,250
you've got a problem with your account

2933
01:56:40,330 --> 01:56:38,600
and the person on the other end us I'm

2934
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:40,340
now a damn thing about their own systems

2935
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:40,800
that

2936
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:45,570
you I had a strange guy walk up to to my

2937
01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:47,820
wife on the street and and and say to

2938
01:56:52,340 --> 01:56:49,380
her your husband's seen them hasn't he

2939
01:56:55,250 --> 01:56:52,350
seen the aliens and and after my

2940
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:55,260
experience I actually contacted the IDF

2941
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,810
night a UFO desk and and I found this

2942
01:57:01,310 --> 01:56:59,760
UFO disc any you'd expect that person on

2943
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:01,320
the other end a bit sort of not really

2944
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:03,030
know what was going on within a few

2945
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:06,210
minutes he cut me off and he filled me

2946
01:57:09,740 --> 01:57:08,130
in and all the rest of the details he

2947
01:57:11,780 --> 01:57:09,750
knew who this guy was he knew where this

2948
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,790
guy lived he told me that that they had

2949
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:13,440
actually been out with equipment to

2950
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,290
check into his claims and had actually

2951
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just a minute we'll get into more of

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this in our next segment Mike Jones

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Robert Branstetter Thomas Morris and

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listening to the parrot talk

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the gruff Robert as opposed to be calm

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and collected Robert Mike I'm getting

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02:01:58,280 --> 02:01:55,860
interested in this more and more as I

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hear you do you have more details yeah

3061
02:02:01,700 --> 02:02:00,300
it was a very strange experience my wife

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was out the front water in the front

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02:02:06,290 --> 02:02:04,980
yard and and I was inside and she came

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02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:06,300
in and so I've just said I was a strange

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man walk up to me and and old fred was

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02:02:14,420 --> 02:02:11,970
he's now deceased but old Fred was was

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how he was known on the street and she

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02:02:18,350 --> 02:02:15,930
said he said your husband's seen them

3069
02:02:20,210 --> 02:02:18,360
hasn't he seen the aliens and he then

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02:02:22,130 --> 02:02:20,220
went on and had a lengthy talked to her

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about the end of our street terminates

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in the national parks thousands and

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02:02:29,630 --> 02:02:27,060
thousands of acres of bush and eucalypt

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02:02:31,190 --> 02:02:29,640
forest and he was telling her all about

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02:02:33,740 --> 02:02:31,200
the alien base that was it there was

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02:02:35,690 --> 02:02:33,750
down the end of our street and how he'd

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02:02:37,340 --> 02:02:35,700
been down there with with friends and

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02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:37,350
the dogs would freak out and run away

3079
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:38,580
whenever they got close to this

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02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:41,130
particular rock wall face where he said

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02:02:45,290 --> 02:02:43,050
that the the entrance to the space was

3082
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:45,300
that and I actually sort of I I thought

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02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:48,000
it was all a bit strange so I phoned the

3084
02:02:51,140 --> 02:02:49,980
RAF because he swore the odd a belief

3085
02:02:53,810 --> 02:02:51,150
had been out I thought well the first

3086
02:02:55,580 --> 02:02:53,820
thing I knew was check is he mad or can

3087
02:02:58,460 --> 02:02:55,590
I can I effect check his claim that he's

3088
02:03:00,320 --> 02:02:58,470
had the RAF out so I phoned the RAF and

3089
02:03:02,150 --> 02:03:00,330
they said yes we've got a UFO disc and

3090
02:03:04,370 --> 02:03:02,160
they gave me the number and I found the

3091
02:03:06,830 --> 02:03:04,380
UFO disc and far from being confused or

3092
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,840
vague about what was going on this this

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02:03:10,910 --> 02:03:09,360
guy immediately knew exactly who I was

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and while I was talking about and who I

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was talking about where I was talking

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02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:14,520
about and he confirmed his whole story

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02:03:18,620 --> 02:03:16,290
that the odd I delivered sent a team out

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02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:18,630
with radiation detectors and Geiger

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02:03:22,970 --> 02:03:20,550
counters and all sorts of magnetic and

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02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:22,980
anomaly detectors and had thoroughly

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02:03:26,990 --> 02:03:25,170
researched his claims and and concluded

3102
02:03:30,170 --> 02:03:27,000
that there was no base there but they

3103
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:30,180
did it that they came out well that's at

3104
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:32,880
least having some official presence in

3105
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:36,420
UFO investigation allegedly there's none

3106
02:03:41,690 --> 02:03:39,090
in the USA well I think they just won't

3107
02:03:43,070 --> 02:03:41,700
admit it we have a much more secretive

3108
02:03:44,780 --> 02:03:43,080
government and that's saying a lot

3109
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:44,790
because the British don't have an

3110
02:03:50,090 --> 02:03:47,370
exactly open government either but our

3111
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:50,100
seems to be singularly invested in

3112
02:03:54,740 --> 02:03:52,110
secrecy on all kinds of things and

3113
02:03:57,890 --> 02:03:54,750
certainly anything is compelling and it

3114
02:04:01,340 --> 02:03:57,900
to the public is this there is something

3115
02:04:03,650 --> 02:04:01,350
to disclose that if you force disclosure

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02:04:05,180 --> 02:04:03,660
on the part of the US authorities they'd

3117
02:04:07,790 --> 02:04:05,190
have something there that would be

3118
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:07,800
significant when it comes to UFOs they'd

3119
02:04:12,700 --> 02:04:10,410
probably have vaults full of empirical

3120
02:04:15,110 --> 02:04:12,710
data collected from scientific

3121
02:04:17,300 --> 02:04:15,120
experiments aboard craft and from their

3122
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:17,310
bases and all kinds of things yeah and

3123
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:19,110
they probably have papers concluding

3124
02:04:23,140 --> 02:04:21,210
that these things were devices that are

3125
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:23,150
highly advanced from an unknown

3126
02:04:27,530 --> 02:04:25,290
civilization that was not terrestrial

3127
02:04:29,330 --> 02:04:27,540
well do you think that if we have this

3128
02:04:31,970 --> 02:04:29,340
access that we've reversed engineered

3129
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:31,980
any of their technology boy that's

3130
02:04:35,570 --> 02:04:33,450
that's hard to say

3131
02:04:36,740 --> 02:04:35,580
the the black world is so black and you

3132
02:04:38,570 --> 02:04:36,750
know this another argument that comes up

3133
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:38,580
a lot people say oh if we had this kind

3134
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:40,170
of technology we'd know about it by now

3135
02:04:48,860 --> 02:04:43,770
it's like I don't think you understand

3136
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:48,870
just how strict military security is you

3137
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:50,430
know these Lockheed Martin and Boeing

3138
02:04:55,070 --> 02:04:52,770
and Northrop Grumman and all these

3139
02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:55,080
companies those companies don't leak the

3140
02:04:58,940 --> 02:04:57,090
research data that you're gonna find

3141
02:05:00,320 --> 02:04:58,950
yourself in prison if you say a word

3142
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:00,330
about any of that stuff and it'll never

3143
02:05:03,980 --> 02:05:02,610
get that far because they monitor the

3144
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:03,990
communications and the movements of

3145
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:06,090
everybody on those programs I mean I

3146
02:05:10,580 --> 02:05:08,130
remember seeing a billion-dollar secret

3147
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:10,590
with Nick cook they were interviewing it

3148
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:13,530
Lockheed and the people involved in

3149
02:05:17,210 --> 02:05:15,690
those programs live in terror of those

3150
02:05:18,350 --> 02:05:17,220
programs and they find them to be

3151
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:18,360
morally repugnant

3152
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:21,210
so yeah they can keep secrets you bet I

3153
02:05:29,770 --> 02:05:25,530
was in that show oh yeah that was a

3154
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:29,780
great one it was a good project it was

3155
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:32,400
the military mind is closed is is

3156
02:05:36,110 --> 02:05:33,930
well-known for that I mean that their

3157
02:05:38,210 --> 02:05:36,120
attitude is a battle space advantage

3158
02:05:41,420 --> 02:05:38,220
shared as a battle space advantage lost

3159
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:41,430
a technological advantage share there's

3160
02:05:44,930 --> 02:05:43,170
a technological advantage lost as soon

3161
02:05:46,190 --> 02:05:44,940
as you share it you've lost it if you

3162
02:05:48,110 --> 02:05:46,200
have an advantage in there and then you

3163
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:48,120
let the you put it out in the public and

3164
02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:49,440
then the Russians and the French and the

3165
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:51,120
British have it then it's lost you don't

3166
02:05:57,470 --> 02:05:53,370
have that advantage anymore okay so yeah

3167
02:06:02,180 --> 02:05:57,480
man Mike it raises the possibility here

3168
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:02,190
that each military of each major

3169
02:06:07,310 --> 02:06:04,770
government has their own store of

3170
02:06:07,970 --> 02:06:07,320
knowledge about UFOs probably they're

3171
02:06:12,140 --> 02:06:07,980
not share

3172
02:06:15,500 --> 02:06:12,150
it and once again if they have access to

3173
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:15,510
the technology where is the evidence can

3174
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:17,400
they keep that a secret for 70 years

3175
02:06:22,340 --> 02:06:19,770
wouldn't they want to exploit that in

3176
02:06:24,530 --> 02:06:22,350
dealing with potential enemies I mean if

3177
02:06:26,180 --> 02:06:24,540
you could hide your craft from everybody

3178
02:06:29,180 --> 02:06:26,190
not just stealth technology but a

3179
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:29,190
cloaking device would you be able to fly

3180
02:06:34,729 --> 02:06:32,250
over North Korea the question is I guess

3181
02:06:36,650 --> 02:06:34,739
is how far along are they with that I

3182
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:36,660
mean it's one thing to say that reverse

3183
02:06:40,070 --> 02:06:38,130
to engineered technology but it may not

3184
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:40,080
be as direct as that it could just

3185
02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:41,940
simply be a case of monkey-see monkey-do

3186
02:06:45,770 --> 02:06:43,980
we may simply not be able to

3187
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:45,780
reverse-engineer the technology but we

3188
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:47,730
made having seen that it's possible to

3189
02:06:52,180 --> 02:06:50,610
do these things we may well be pursuing

3190
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:52,190
ways of making it happen for ourselves

3191
02:06:56,450 --> 02:06:54,719
I've got a little anecdotal story about

3192
02:06:59,000 --> 02:06:56,460
this actually I was having a meeting

3193
02:07:01,459 --> 02:06:59,010
with Blaine Kern because I work in Mardi

3194
02:07:03,140 --> 02:07:01,469
Gras here in New Orleans in blinkers one

3195
02:07:05,570 --> 02:07:03,150
of the big parade production meant

3196
02:07:07,700 --> 02:07:05,580
people are here he shared a paper with

3197
02:07:10,250 --> 02:07:07,710
me during a meeting one time that had

3198
02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:10,260
been left for him by his dear friend

3199
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:13,590
Gordon Novell and this was back in the

3200
02:07:17,930 --> 02:07:16,560
early 2000s Dickens 2004 and he said

3201
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:17,940
that I couldn't make a copy of it but I

3202
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:20,010
could I could look at it because Gordon

3203
02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:22,410
forbade him from making any copies so I

3204
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:24,840
was trying to browse this research paper

3205
02:07:27,770 --> 02:07:26,010
I mean that's what it was kind of

3206
02:07:30,130 --> 02:07:27,780
technical research briefing there was a

3207
02:07:32,330 --> 02:07:30,140
photocopy and so there's photocopies of

3208
02:07:34,910 --> 02:07:32,340
photographs as well and there was a

3209
02:07:36,290 --> 02:07:34,920
research team that was working on a type

3210
02:07:37,930 --> 02:07:36,300
of physics that I had never even heard

3211
02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:37,940
of at that point called stochastic

3212
02:07:43,580 --> 02:07:40,860
electrodynamics and they had two devices

3213
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,590
that were maybe four or five feet long

3214
02:07:46,340 --> 02:07:44,880
and egg-shaped

3215
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:46,350
and in one of the photos there was a

3216
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cover there polished looking maybe

3217
02:07:52,610 --> 02:07:51,270
aluminum and there was a cover off of

3218
02:07:54,620 --> 02:07:52,620
one and you can see all the tubes and

3219
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:54,630
wiring and so forth inside and they had

3220
02:07:59,120 --> 02:07:56,250
nicknamed them fat boy and little man

3221
02:08:00,890 --> 02:07:59,130
after the nuclear bombs and they claimed

3222
02:08:01,300 --> 02:08:00,900
that these devices could levitate in

3223
02:08:03,950 --> 02:08:01,310
midair

3224
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:03,960
now that was apparently cutting-edge

3225
02:08:07,490 --> 02:08:05,760
research around that time that he had

3226
02:08:09,590 --> 02:08:07,500
shared with his dear friend Blaine Kern

3227
02:08:11,090 --> 02:08:09,600
so that might have been a leak that

3228
02:08:13,850 --> 02:08:11,100
might have been a legitimate leak from a

3229
02:08:16,580 --> 02:08:13,860
scientific research program do you folks

3230
02:08:20,330 --> 02:08:16,590
believe and we could have volunteers to

3231
02:08:21,150 --> 02:08:20,340
take you up on it that what philip corso

3232
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:21,160
said

3233
02:08:27,210 --> 02:08:23,440
quoted in the day after Roswell was true

3234
02:08:29,790 --> 02:08:27,220
that he was the bagman feeding alleged

3235
02:08:32,220 --> 02:08:29,800
alien technology from Roswell into the

3236
02:08:34,170 --> 02:08:32,230
hands of the military or did he make all

3237
02:08:37,050 --> 02:08:34,180
that up I'll chime in this is Jason I'll

3238
02:08:38,460 --> 02:08:37,060
chime in I absolutely do not if you

3239
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:38,470
actually look at the claims he's made

3240
02:08:42,450 --> 02:08:40,390
and actually you know I have a technical

3241
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background if you follow the claims that

3242
02:08:46,020 --> 02:08:44,410
he has for the materials and

3243
02:08:47,790 --> 02:08:46,030
technologies he talks about there is

3244
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actually a strong and rich and storied

3245
02:08:51,570 --> 02:08:49,930
tradition about how these technologies

3246
02:08:53,880 --> 02:08:51,580
actually came about yeah so for him to

3247
02:08:55,290 --> 02:08:53,890
say hey we found him in a pile in a

3248
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:55,300
junkyard that some alien spaceship

3249
02:08:59,460 --> 02:08:57,850
crashed there's no evidence what's for

3250
02:09:02,070 --> 02:08:59,470
that whatsoever you can actually see the

3251
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:02,080
line of reasoning you know for things

3252
02:09:05,130 --> 02:09:03,730
like that silicon geranium doping to

3253
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:05,140
make logic gates for things like fiber

3254
02:09:09,180 --> 02:09:07,690
optics etc etc etc you can actually see

3255
02:09:11,570 --> 02:09:09,190
the entire progression and evolution of

3256
02:09:14,070 --> 02:09:11,580
the technology I do a whole presentation

3257
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:14,080
I've done it a number of times called

3258
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the Masters of Deception and a big chunk

3259
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:19,090
of it is actually showing people that

3260
02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:22,960
there is you know a very plain and

3261
02:09:28,620 --> 02:09:26,710
in-your-face evidence chain of many of

3262
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:28,630
the technologies that he claims so were

3263
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:31,360
salted in the private industry there's a

3264
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:33,250
number of them that began way before

3265
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:38,530
Roswell in others that that are historic

3266
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:44,650
I mean Shockley's the transistor is a

3267
02:09:53,550 --> 02:09:48,250
good point a good one to point to for

3268
02:09:56,010 --> 02:09:53,560
instance and and you know I equated you

3269
02:09:58,680 --> 02:09:56,020
know you would think that technology on

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02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:58,690
the level there we may be dealing with

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regardless regardless of where it's

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02:10:02,940 --> 02:10:01,330
coming from

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02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:02,950
would be like it was handing a cell

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phone to uh you know Co Magnum man or

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something we've got more to come with

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Jean Chris Thomas Mike Robert Jason

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but I'm thinking here Chris when we look

3393
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:07,440
at that if they were going to get

3394
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:11,930
evidence of alien technology as you say

3395
02:15:17,870 --> 02:15:15,570
transistors night-vision goggles fiber

3396
02:15:20,690 --> 02:15:17,880
optics that seems so elementary and

3397
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:20,700
simplistic surely eat he would have gone

3398
02:15:25,220 --> 02:15:23,370
way beyond that how would we even be

3399
02:15:28,700 --> 02:15:25,230
able to reverse engineer anything

3400
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:28,710
understand anything if a technology even

3401
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:32,130
a hundred years beyond us say if you

3402
02:15:36,500 --> 02:15:34,530
give an iPhone to a cro-magnon yeah but

3403
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if you bring an iPhone into maybe the

3404
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,270
18th or 19th century they'd have an

3405
02:15:45,050 --> 02:15:42,000
awful time with it you know it may be

3406
02:15:47,870 --> 02:15:45,060
that the technology is so exotic and so

3407
02:15:49,970 --> 02:15:47,880
as the C Clark would say magical we

3408
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:49,980
might not even be able to even recognize

3409
02:15:55,220 --> 02:15:53,040
it as technology that's possible but on

3410
02:15:57,080 --> 02:15:55,230
the other hand we're not in 19th or 18th

3411
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:57,090
century technology at this point we've

3412
02:16:00,500 --> 02:15:58,800
actually made huge progress and we're

3413
02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:00,510
doing attosecond imaging and we can

3414
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:03,090
detect subatomic particles we can detect

3415
02:16:07,310 --> 02:16:05,010
pretty much any structure form of

3416
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:07,320
molecule and we can run tests on them to

3417
02:16:12,410 --> 02:16:09,840
see what properties they have so we

3418
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:12,420
might not be able to replicate the final

3419
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:14,730
effects intended for the components of

3420
02:16:19,130 --> 02:16:16,800
an alien technology but my god I'm sure

3421
02:16:20,990 --> 02:16:19,140
we could learn an enormous amount just

3422
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:21,000
from the material is engineering in a

3423
02:16:25,790 --> 02:16:23,520
spectrum and the general physical system

3424
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:25,800
we're starting now to custom engineer

3425
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the quantum wave function of composite

3426
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matter to create new physical properties

3427
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that have never existed in nature before

3428
02:16:36,169 --> 02:16:34,590
to our knowledge so you know we're

3429
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:36,179
making a huge progress and I think that

3430
02:16:40,610 --> 02:16:38,490
we'd learn a lot if we had a sample of

3431
02:16:43,310 --> 02:16:40,620
an alien technology maybe not enough to

3432
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:43,320
replicate the field propulsion system or

3433
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:45,570
the scanning technology or whatever but

3434
02:16:50,290 --> 02:16:47,760
it would definitely push us along no

3435
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:50,300
okay do you think Thomas that we

3436
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actually recovered an alien craft at

3437
02:16:58,490 --> 02:16:56,250
Roswell knotti right you know I really

3438
02:16:59,780 --> 02:16:58,500
doubt it you know there's so many sides

3439
02:17:03,049 --> 02:16:59,790
to that argument and it's such a

3440
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:03,059
labyrinth of arguments it's hard to say

3441
02:17:08,419 --> 02:17:05,610
you know it really anything involving

3442
02:17:11,330 --> 02:17:08,429
extraterrestrials happened there anyone

3443
02:17:17,919 --> 02:17:11,340
else anyone believe in the Roswell story

3444
02:17:20,330 --> 02:17:17,929
is popularly conceived I hear silence

3445
02:17:21,709 --> 02:17:20,340
absolutely not you know even if it were

3446
02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:21,719
the case there's no way to tell now but

3447
02:17:26,599 --> 02:17:23,489
for the folks that have actually done

3448
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the digging there is so little actual

3449
02:17:30,859 --> 02:17:29,130
evidence that an alien spacecraft came

3450
02:17:33,109 --> 02:17:30,869
down or this stuff was recovered there's

3451
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evidence that something happened and

3452
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that's all we can say the only thing

3453
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that I find really compelling is Jessie

3454
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Marcel's son describing the materials

3455
02:17:43,939 --> 02:17:41,250
and the i-beams and the strange writing

3456
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that does stick with me like maybe there

3457
02:17:48,049 --> 02:17:46,409
was something there yeah exactly memory

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metals that would have been decades way

3459
02:17:52,250 --> 02:17:50,699
ahead of our discoveries in science well

3460
02:17:55,129 --> 02:17:52,260
you see what happened here is that

3461
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Batman went back in time

3462
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:57,000
remember they talked about the memory

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02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:00,479
cloth in Batman Begins oh yeah that's

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right with the profly electrical current

3465
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to it it gets Richard exotic

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technologies and materials to is is how

3467
02:18:13,490 --> 02:18:11,550
much do you release I mean to the

3468
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general public even if you know how that

3469
02:18:16,580 --> 02:18:14,819
how that works whether you reverse

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02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:16,590
engineered it or whether monkey-see

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02:18:20,990 --> 02:18:18,510
monkey-do you've decided there's a proof

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of concept and you figured it out free

3473
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energy and anti-growth have given to the

3474
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planet Earth now would absolutely

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destroy our economies and I don't think

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so oh absolutely because for every

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dollar that the oil industry loses in

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creating energy into the people who have

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to buy that energy save that money it's

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the people that mine that the oil that

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make the tarmac for the roads which you

3482
02:18:47,450 --> 02:18:45,510
no longer need it's the people that work

3483
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:47,460
in the service stations the transport

3484
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:49,050
industry that transports the fuel is the

3485
02:18:53,299 --> 02:18:51,359
guys that cut down trees to make poles

3486
02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:53,309
and wires the miners who dig up the

3487
02:18:59,450 --> 02:18:57,090
copper yeah but most all those go we're

3488
02:19:03,200 --> 02:18:59,460
gonna gain additional technologies in

3489
02:19:04,910 --> 02:19:03,210
developing again one industry and you're

3490
02:19:07,309 --> 02:19:04,920
gonna lose a thousand and then that's

3491
02:19:09,919 --> 02:19:07,319
employment that's people's jobs well I

3492
02:19:11,569 --> 02:19:09,929
don't think you crash the economy every

3493
02:19:13,339 --> 02:19:11,579
time every time there's a major

3494
02:19:15,740 --> 02:19:13,349
advancement in transportation it's a

3495
02:19:17,629 --> 02:19:15,750
huge boon to the economy and it's got

3496
02:19:19,250 --> 02:19:17,639
all kinds of support industries we have

3497
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:19,260
technological advancements on every

3498
02:19:24,229 --> 02:19:22,050
frontier the support services on every

3499
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:24,239
end I mean I don't think that any major

3500
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:24,729
techno

3501
02:19:29,459 --> 02:19:27,130
logical advancement has hurt the economy

3502
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:29,469
it seems like it always fuels a period

3503
02:19:33,870 --> 02:19:31,090
of economic growth we've seen that one

3504
02:19:35,549 --> 02:19:33,880
always loses somebody's gonna lose but

3505
02:19:37,229 --> 02:19:35,559
other people are gonna win a lot you

3506
02:19:39,540 --> 02:19:37,239
know it's gonna stimulate the economy in

3507
02:19:42,359 --> 02:19:39,550
all kinds of unexpected ways my god if

3508
02:19:44,580 --> 02:19:42,369
you could travel from here to China in

3509
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,590
an hour and people would take that a lot

3510
02:19:48,660 --> 02:19:46,960
more more people who travel so that

3511
02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:48,670
would increase the spending on that

3512
02:19:52,529 --> 02:19:50,470
industry I mean I don't think that

3513
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:52,539
there's anything to fear about advances

3514
02:19:56,460 --> 02:19:54,640
in technology of that nature but I think

3515
02:19:58,170 --> 02:19:56,470
there's a great deal of fear with

3516
02:20:00,269 --> 02:19:58,180
sticking with what we have because we're

3517
02:20:02,189 --> 02:20:00,279
destroying our planet and we're

3518
02:20:05,069 --> 02:20:02,199
poisoning our ecosystem we were in the

3519
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:05,079
midst of a massive extinction event

3520
02:20:09,330 --> 02:20:06,850
right now all precipitated by those

3521
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:09,340
industries but you have a situation here

3522
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:11,050
in some parts of the world like one

3523
02:20:15,870 --> 02:20:13,600
certain country where that's not

3524
02:20:18,450 --> 02:20:15,880
believed and if the people in authority

3525
02:20:20,609 --> 02:20:18,460
don't believe it they're not going to do

3526
02:20:22,170 --> 02:20:20,619
anything about it well I don't know if

3527
02:20:23,939 --> 02:20:22,180
this very matter of belief is greed

3528
02:20:25,410 --> 02:20:23,949
there's a lot of vested interest with a

3529
02:20:26,939 --> 02:20:25,420
lot of money that like it just the way

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02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:26,949
that it is and they are investing in

3531
02:20:30,779 --> 02:20:28,930
political donations all the time to make

3532
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:30,789
sure that things don't change you know I

3533
02:20:34,769 --> 02:20:32,560
think there's a very high very high

3534
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,779
chance that the defense research

3535
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:36,880
industry has created alternative energy

3536
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:39,130
sources that we will not see the will

3537
02:20:42,510 --> 02:20:40,810
not see the light of day because it's

3538
02:20:45,389 --> 02:20:42,520
not profitable to the oil industry that

3539
02:20:48,779 --> 02:20:45,399
controls our government and don't have

3540
02:20:49,859 --> 02:20:48,789
warp drive it's possible I don't think

3541
02:20:51,960 --> 02:20:49,869
that it's that likely because when you

3542
02:20:53,399 --> 02:20:51,970
look at the math the energy requirements

3543
02:20:55,410 --> 02:20:53,409
and the control systems you'd need or

3544
02:20:57,899 --> 02:20:55,420
like a several generations ahead of what

3545
02:20:59,580 --> 02:20:57,909
we have now but they have may have had

3546
02:21:01,979 --> 02:20:59,590
loopholes you know it's impossible to

3547
02:21:04,050 --> 02:21:01,989
say there was the most well-funded

3548
02:21:06,090 --> 02:21:04,060
scientific research program in all of

3549
02:21:07,319 --> 02:21:06,100
human history we're spending hundreds of

3550
02:21:09,569 --> 02:21:07,329
billions of dollars a year on our

3551
02:21:11,580 --> 02:21:09,579
military and a huge chunk of that goes

3552
02:21:13,559 --> 02:21:11,590
into black projects and they have also

3553
02:21:14,939 --> 02:21:13,569
got funding sources that are not through

3554
02:21:16,620 --> 02:21:14,949
the tax system not through the

3555
02:21:18,420 --> 02:21:16,630
government they've got their own funding

3556
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:18,430
systems with all kinds of covert manners

3557
02:21:23,550 --> 02:21:21,520
of gaining money so it's impossible to

3558
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:23,560
gauge what they might have achieved with

3559
02:21:27,569 --> 02:21:24,970
hundreds of billions of dollars a year

3560
02:21:30,269 --> 02:21:27,579
in research one thing that kind of

3561
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,279
bothers me again if we have access to

3562
02:21:36,090 --> 02:21:32,800
all this technology and you consider the

3563
02:21:37,690 --> 02:21:36,100
advantages we have over every other

3564
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:37,700
country for assuming this is

3565
02:21:42,671 --> 02:21:40,130
a us-based ability unless it's being

3566
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:42,681
shared by a number of countries that

3567
02:21:47,350 --> 02:21:44,690
when we have people like in North Korea

3568
02:21:48,220 --> 02:21:47,360
firing nuclear weapons they'd all

3569
02:21:53,620 --> 02:21:48,230
disappear

3570
02:21:56,860 --> 02:21:53,630
added all that power we have all that

3571
02:22:00,671 --> 02:21:56,870
power to control things to fly cloak

3572
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:00,681
devices to have weaponry beyond anything

3573
02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:03,760
we can understand why aren't using it

3574
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:06,290
gene your greatest strategic advantage

3575
02:22:10,120 --> 02:22:08,450
to having this technologies is using

3576
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:10,130
them covertly so that nobody knows you

3577
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:11,840
have them if you do some big public

3578
02:22:15,700 --> 02:22:13,490
display of that technology you've lost

3579
02:22:17,801 --> 02:22:15,710
that strategic advantage which could be

3580
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:17,811
a civilization ending mistake for you

3581
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:21,650
what do you convey privately whatever

3582
02:22:24,551 --> 02:22:22,970
makes money right I mean these

3583
02:22:26,261 --> 02:22:24,561
industries are they're gonna create

3584
02:22:28,570 --> 02:22:26,271
products they're gonna sell patents that

3585
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:28,580
you know it doesn't compromise national

3586
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:29,840
security they're gonna get that stuff

3587
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:31,130
out an industry and make money with it

3588
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:33,170
right right but what does the military

3589
02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:37,970
do quietly to convey the message to some

3590
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:40,490
kind of rogue nation that we have some

3591
02:22:45,761 --> 02:22:43,130
technology here that's gonna really mess

3592
02:22:49,450 --> 02:22:45,771
with you and there's nothing you can do

3593
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:49,460
to stop us if you get out of line or is

3594
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:52,490
all this posturing just posturing it is

3595
02:22:55,720 --> 02:22:54,170
what we already have the ability the

3596
02:22:57,970 --> 02:22:55,730
push of a button to make North Korea go

3597
02:22:59,650 --> 02:22:57,980
away we could do that's right yeah we

3598
02:23:00,610 --> 02:22:59,660
could do that now but we're not and so

3599
02:23:02,591 --> 02:23:00,620
you've got to look at the reasons is

3600
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:02,601
what why we're not doing that it's not a

3601
02:23:06,551 --> 02:23:04,610
matter whether we have exotic technology

3602
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,561
or not we have a big red button that'll

3603
02:23:10,770 --> 02:23:08,720
make North Korea go away in one big

3604
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:10,780
flash a lot we could do that now

3605
02:23:15,610 --> 02:23:13,490
structure intact as well right the

3606
02:23:17,410 --> 02:23:15,620
neutrons just kill all the people yep

3607
02:23:20,620 --> 02:23:17,420
yep you could do that but again the

3608
02:23:23,801 --> 02:23:20,630
political ramifications do do you end up

3609
02:23:25,660 --> 02:23:23,811
sparking a global conflagration the

3610
02:23:29,290 --> 02:23:25,670
likes of which will make World War two

3611
02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:29,300
look like you know the the Civil War I

3612
02:23:33,881 --> 02:23:31,910
mean that we have the ability to make

3613
02:23:36,970 --> 02:23:33,891
North Korea go away but whatever you're

3614
02:23:39,131 --> 02:23:36,980
talking about nuclear war I'm thinking

3615
02:23:41,530 --> 02:23:39,141
that we have advanced alien technologies

3616
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:41,540
we have phaser weapons we have photon

3617
02:23:47,290 --> 02:23:44,090
beams whatever that we can do things

3618
02:23:50,679 --> 02:23:47,300
that they can fight and do these things

3619
02:23:53,080 --> 02:23:50,689
quietly in ways that we

3620
02:23:55,569 --> 02:23:53,090
wouldn't be discovered we wouldn't blame

3621
02:23:57,309 --> 02:23:55,579
for the DS - there's the big of a risk

3622
02:23:58,689 --> 02:23:57,319
discovered yeah it's too big of a risk

3623
02:24:00,939 --> 02:23:58,699
right I mean how many times to our

3624
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:00,949
covert a helicopter remissions go down

3625
02:24:04,569 --> 02:24:02,479
in the desert I mean or as the

3626
02:24:09,210 --> 02:24:04,579
technologies not advanced enough that's

3627
02:24:15,130 --> 02:24:09,220
it guys one more segment left Thomas

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Robert Mike Jason Jean and Chris you're

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we've had access to this technology for

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Mike Jones Thomas Morris and Robert

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take this secret space program if we

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technology other than spy satellites are

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we using it to explore outer space why

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Thomas well I do remember that there in

3747
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:44,670
the UK there was a amateur hacker who

3748
02:29:49,639 --> 02:29:47,010
got access to some military database

3749
02:29:51,740 --> 02:29:49,649
information and about fleet transfers in

3750
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:51,750
a space program right isn't that kind of

3751
02:29:56,750 --> 02:29:54,000
the probably the inception it was a list

3752
02:29:59,660 --> 02:29:56,760
of off-planet officers and that was

3753
02:30:02,719 --> 02:29:59,670
mccannon ron Regehr who's been on the

3754
02:30:05,179 --> 02:30:02,729
show is occasionally is active in the

3755
02:30:07,910 --> 02:30:05,189
forums he worked for air jet and Douglas

3756
02:30:10,820 --> 02:30:07,920
Aircraft for almost 40 years he's

3757
02:30:12,860 --> 02:30:10,830
brought up a very good point which I I

3758
02:30:15,559 --> 02:30:12,870
think before but I'll just give it a

3759
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:15,569
thumbnail version of it there are

3760
02:30:21,550 --> 02:30:17,520
certain materials that you need to pull

3761
02:30:23,990 --> 02:30:21,560
a certain craft in terms of design and

3762
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:24,000
manufacturing and there's only a limited

3763
02:30:28,190 --> 02:30:26,399
amount of those materials to go around

3764
02:30:29,690 --> 02:30:28,200
and when somebody makes a big order

3765
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:29,700
everybody knows about it they may not

3766
02:30:32,990 --> 02:30:31,050
know exactly what it's being used for

3767
02:30:34,340 --> 02:30:33,000
but everybody knows about it because

3768
02:30:37,460 --> 02:30:34,350
we're all fighting for the same limited

3769
02:30:41,300 --> 02:30:37,470
amount of resources and he said that if

3770
02:30:44,330 --> 02:30:41,310
there the amount of materials highly

3771
02:30:46,219 --> 02:30:44,340
exotic and in many cases classified

3772
02:30:48,190 --> 02:30:46,229
materials that you would need to even

3773
02:30:50,110 --> 02:30:48,200
pull off one or two of these crafts

3774
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:50,120
everybody would know about it

3775
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:52,130
and you know he had a pretty high

3776
02:30:56,200 --> 02:30:54,530
security clearance himself and he said

3777
02:31:00,130 --> 02:30:56,210
there was absolutely no evidence

3778
02:31:01,870 --> 02:31:00,140
whatsoever that he knows of to suggest

3779
02:31:03,790 --> 02:31:01,880
that there's anything coming close to a

3780
02:31:05,980 --> 02:31:03,800
secret space program for what it's worth

3781
02:31:07,930 --> 02:31:05,990
well that's a pretty good argument yeah

3782
02:31:09,880 --> 02:31:07,940
it is it is pretty persuasive somebody

3783
02:31:11,801 --> 02:31:09,890
on the inside so to speak but on the

3784
02:31:14,410 --> 02:31:11,811
other hand you know when you look at the

3785
02:31:17,261 --> 02:31:14,420
documents from our security people and

3786
02:31:20,410 --> 02:31:17,271
it just seems like they are some very

3787
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:20,420
very smart people if they had a plan to

3788
02:31:23,470 --> 02:31:22,010
create something like a secret space

3789
02:31:25,511 --> 02:31:23,480
program and are not saying that they did

3790
02:31:26,890 --> 02:31:25,521
but it is really suspicious that we

3791
02:31:29,110 --> 02:31:26,900
don't seem to have space flight

3792
02:31:31,091 --> 02:31:29,120
capability right now at least in the

3793
02:31:32,801 --> 02:31:31,101
public there seems to me that we must

3794
02:31:34,780 --> 02:31:32,811
have something capable of going in out

3795
02:31:36,220 --> 02:31:34,790
of the atmosphere then you would start

3796
02:31:38,310 --> 02:31:36,230
you'd create the infrastructure from the

3797
02:31:40,330 --> 02:31:38,320
ground up you'd create a covert

3798
02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:40,340
infrastructure you'd have apparent

3799
02:31:44,230 --> 02:31:42,890
companies with the sub companies you'd

3800
02:31:46,660 --> 02:31:44,240
be able to I think get what you needed

3801
02:31:47,950 --> 02:31:46,670
covertly one way or the other if even if

3802
02:31:50,170 --> 02:31:47,960
you had to have your own mining

3803
02:31:52,570 --> 02:31:50,180
operations and classify the entire

3804
02:31:54,670 --> 02:31:52,580
project from the ore level all the way

3805
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:54,680
to the application level I think it

3806
02:31:58,360 --> 02:31:56,210
could be done with the kind of money

3807
02:31:59,920 --> 02:31:58,370
that the US military spends in the way

3808
02:32:01,720 --> 02:31:59,930
that they hide it and the fact that

3809
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:01,730
there's no oversight congressional

3810
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:04,010
oversight from for any of these special

3811
02:32:08,980 --> 02:32:06,410
access programs they could do pretty

3812
02:32:10,690 --> 02:32:08,990
much anything they wanted I think that

3813
02:32:12,551 --> 02:32:10,700
it's highly likely that we have a secret

3814
02:32:15,070 --> 02:32:12,561
space program and that's just coming

3815
02:32:16,660 --> 02:32:15,080
back to basic human tribal instinct see

3816
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:16,670
every single tribe thinks it's better

3817
02:32:20,380 --> 02:32:18,290
than all the other tribes on the planet

3818
02:32:22,570 --> 02:32:20,390
and the idea that you would have an

3819
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:22,580
opportunity to get your group of people

3820
02:32:27,011 --> 02:32:25,250
your particular tribe off planet and

3821
02:32:29,530 --> 02:32:27,021
away from the mess that's this planet

3822
02:32:31,690 --> 02:32:29,540
and leave all the mess behind I can't

3823
02:32:34,511 --> 02:32:31,700
see humans sharing and just the simple

3824
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:34,521
the high ground always wins argument you

3825
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:35,690
know the space is the ultimate high

3826
02:32:39,551 --> 02:32:37,280
ground or no we're not gonna let the

3827
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:39,561
Chinese who are now actively pursuing

3828
02:32:45,370 --> 02:32:42,650
space programs have total domination of

3829
02:32:46,420 --> 02:32:45,380
space the satellites that we have up

3830
02:32:48,460 --> 02:32:46,430
there that we depend on for our

3831
02:32:51,511 --> 02:32:48,470
intelligence we've got to protect those

3832
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:51,521
so we have to have some kind of measures

3833
02:32:55,511 --> 02:32:53,450
against us you better got to build the

3834
02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:55,521
bootstrap I mean in terms of resources

3835
02:32:59,500 --> 02:32:57,530
from the planet Earth which is again

3836
02:33:01,480 --> 02:32:59,510
we're coming back to this looking at it

3837
02:33:02,740 --> 02:33:01,490
from our own blinking world view you've

3838
02:33:03,371 --> 02:33:02,750
only got to build the bootstraps and

3839
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:03,381
then you can get your

3840
02:33:07,390 --> 02:33:04,730
resources from the moon or from the

3841
02:33:09,161 --> 02:33:07,400
asteroid fields or from Mars I think you

3842
02:33:10,991 --> 02:33:09,171
have to be careful there I mean there is

3843
02:33:12,581 --> 02:33:11,001
a secret space program we know there are

3844
02:33:14,561 --> 02:33:12,591
secret space flights and there's the

3845
02:33:17,531 --> 02:33:14,571
military trainer little shuttle that

3846
02:33:20,531 --> 02:33:17,541
they have and kind of stuff but those

3847
02:33:22,451 --> 02:33:20,541
are all normal human technologies if

3848
02:33:24,461 --> 02:33:22,461
we're talking about some giant advanced

3849
02:33:26,231 --> 02:33:24,471
spacefaring civilization we've created

3850
02:33:28,571 --> 02:33:26,241
our bases on the moon or bases on the

3851
02:33:30,311 --> 02:33:28,581
Mars guess what there's no evidence of

3852
02:33:31,720 --> 02:33:30,321
that we have probes there we've got

3853
02:33:34,481 --> 02:33:31,730
orbiters we've got all kinds of stuff

3854
02:33:36,430 --> 02:33:34,491
there's nothing there so where is it

3855
02:33:38,591 --> 02:33:36,440
what I doubt is that this line of

3856
02:33:40,811 --> 02:33:38,601
questioning and this kind of you know is

3857
02:33:42,701 --> 02:33:40,821
the speculative growth that comes out of

3858
02:33:44,711 --> 02:33:42,711
the ETH and now suddenly we're talking

3859
02:33:46,691 --> 02:33:44,721
about our planet soldiers act and I

3860
02:33:48,881 --> 02:33:46,701
think this is where the ETH takes us to

3861
02:33:50,291 --> 02:33:48,891
is to actually move away from the

3862
02:33:52,121 --> 02:33:50,301
relevant discussion of what's actually

3863
02:33:54,041 --> 02:33:52,131
taking place here on earth with actual

3864
02:33:55,211 --> 02:33:54,051
human beings that are seeing things and

3865
02:33:56,741 --> 02:33:55,221
then suddenly we start talking about

3866
02:33:58,781 --> 02:33:56,751
things that there's no evidence for and

3867
02:34:01,631 --> 02:33:58,791
I would include you know Roswell and the

3868
02:34:03,251 --> 02:34:01,641
notion of alien landings or the fact

3869
02:34:05,081 --> 02:34:03,261
that we don't really see any changes in

3870
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:05,091
public policy from the American

3871
02:34:08,470 --> 02:34:06,650
government in terms of how to protect

3872
02:34:10,241 --> 02:34:08,480
our skies that there's no evidence of

3873
02:34:12,281 --> 02:34:10,251
these pieces that are actually in place

3874
02:34:14,441 --> 02:34:12,291
given that then the rest of the

3875
02:34:16,661 --> 02:34:14,451
speculation that follows really is

3876
02:34:19,091 --> 02:34:16,671
entirely science fiction as a discussion

3877
02:34:21,970 --> 02:34:19,101
and it moves us away even further from

3878
02:34:23,441 --> 02:34:21,980
the actual things that people see and I

3879
02:34:25,301 --> 02:34:23,451
guess that's the problem that I've got

3880
02:34:27,220 --> 02:34:25,311
with the ETH piece is that that's where

3881
02:34:28,991 --> 02:34:27,230
it ends up taking us it takes us to

3882
02:34:31,091 --> 02:34:29,001
silly places where we start

3883
02:34:32,861 --> 02:34:31,101
mythologizing and we start talking about

3884
02:34:34,241 --> 02:34:32,871
alien cults and suicide cults and

3885
02:34:36,581 --> 02:34:34,251
religions and all these other things

3886
02:34:38,381 --> 02:34:36,591
flow out of that chain of thinking that

3887
02:34:40,421 --> 02:34:38,391
no I think it's part of the misdirection

3888
02:34:42,491 --> 02:34:40,431
this is an illustration of what's

3889
02:34:44,201 --> 02:34:42,501
actually taking place which is probably

3890
02:34:45,970 --> 02:34:44,211
something far more mysterious and

3891
02:34:47,470 --> 02:34:45,980
engaging that it's concerned with us

3892
02:34:49,601 --> 02:34:47,480
with human beings in our perceptual

3893
02:34:51,581 --> 02:34:49,611
capacities and I don't understand why we

3894
02:34:53,711 --> 02:34:51,591
would not want to seek more time into

3895
02:34:55,901 --> 02:34:53,721
thinking about that and pursuing those

3896
02:34:57,821 --> 02:34:55,911
ways even though it's more complex and

3897
02:34:59,951 --> 02:34:57,831
more difficult to think about and it's

3898
02:35:01,961 --> 02:34:59,961
not parsimonious but the fact is 70

3899
02:35:03,821 --> 02:35:01,971
years of ETH hasn't brought us anything

3900
02:35:05,111 --> 02:35:03,831
and it keeps moving us further and

3901
02:35:09,430 --> 02:35:05,121
further till we've got soldiers off

3902
02:35:11,531 --> 02:35:09,440
planet NOW so ETS has not been tested as

3903
02:35:13,901 --> 02:35:11,541
I hypothesis to be look that's

3904
02:35:15,881 --> 02:35:13,911
true but look you don't need the ETH to

3905
02:35:17,500 --> 02:35:15,891
end up with the secret space programs

3906
02:35:19,269 --> 02:35:17,510
eat is the secret

3907
02:35:21,340 --> 02:35:19,279
the military and the fact that we know

3908
02:35:24,010 --> 02:35:21,350
that they routinely hide all of the most

3909
02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:24,020
sophisticated advancements and I don't

3910
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:25,810
think Gary mccannon connected the

3911
02:35:29,230 --> 02:35:27,439
extraterrestrials to the secret space

3912
02:35:30,580 --> 02:35:29,240
program either I mean just the

3913
02:35:32,050 --> 02:35:30,590
advancement of Technology in the money

3914
02:35:33,969 --> 02:35:32,060
that we're putting into it it creates

3915
02:35:36,880 --> 02:35:33,979
suspicions so I don't think that it's

3916
02:35:40,030 --> 02:35:36,890
right to impugn the ETH with the secret

3917
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:40,040
space program mythology please tell that

3918
02:35:45,400 --> 02:35:43,520
to David Wilcock I don't want to do any

3919
02:35:46,750 --> 02:35:45,410
talking to David Wilcock because a lot

3920
02:35:48,990 --> 02:35:46,760
of people out there talking complete

3921
02:35:52,179 --> 02:35:49,000
nonsense and I think that it's wrong to

3922
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:52,189
hold the ETH accountable for what a

3923
02:35:55,300 --> 02:35:53,930
bunch of crazy opportunities want to do

3924
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:55,310
with it I agree this is the Hall of

3925
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:56,810
Mirrors kind of effect what you have to

3926
02:36:00,969 --> 02:35:58,880
be really simple and really precise and

3927
02:36:02,500 --> 02:36:00,979
apply critical thinking to everything

3928
02:36:04,900 --> 02:36:02,510
you're saying I think we need to take

3929
02:36:06,760 --> 02:36:04,910
out far more simple and clear view of

3930
02:36:08,650 --> 02:36:06,770
what we can test and what we can verify

3931
02:36:11,050 --> 02:36:08,660
you know what Chris is kind of citizen

3932
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:11,060
science is absolutely the way to go in

3933
02:36:16,690 --> 02:36:14,240
one I'm actually doing it being somebody

3934
02:36:18,460 --> 02:36:16,700
who who's very doubtful of what we can

3935
02:36:20,650 --> 02:36:18,470
actually learn from it because I've

3936
02:36:23,050 --> 02:36:20,660
always felt fallen on more of the

3937
02:36:25,960 --> 02:36:23,060
psychological collective unconscious you

3938
02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:25,970
know modern myths of Elson Ferries side

3939
02:36:31,860 --> 02:36:28,910
of the equation just naturally because

3940
02:36:33,940 --> 02:36:31,870
of my own experiences and because of the

3941
02:36:35,710 --> 02:36:33,950
inscrutability of the whole thing I'm

3942
02:36:37,719 --> 02:36:35,720
only coming up with this whole idea of

3943
02:36:39,700 --> 02:36:37,729
the hard data monitoring thing to see if

3944
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,710
it even could work you know it's more of

3945
02:36:43,269 --> 02:36:41,600
a challenge than anything but it's

3946
02:36:44,469 --> 02:36:43,279
definitely the right idea is the first

3947
02:36:45,820 --> 02:36:44,479
thing that you do when you're confronted

3948
02:36:50,530 --> 02:36:45,830
with the mysteries you try to collect

3949
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:50,540
scientific data on in this idea that the

3950
02:36:55,090 --> 02:36:53,210
ETH hasn't solved the Enigma in 70 years

3951
02:36:56,860 --> 02:36:55,100
is absolutely empty because we haven't

3952
02:36:59,559 --> 02:36:56,870
made any kind of scientific effort in

3953
02:37:01,990 --> 02:36:59,569
seven years we haven't tested it this

3954
02:37:09,250 --> 02:37:02,000
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3955
02:37:11,460 --> 02:37:09,260
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3956
02:37:13,780 --> 02:37:11,470
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3990
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3991
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